FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #29
“What About how the Bible says that those who do not believe will perish?”
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Doesn’t it? 
Thanks for sharing all of this with us, Rodger. It would have been very difficult for most of us to find these great quotes on our own.
This thread has gotten me very interested in Origen and the other early Church fathers. I found a good online resource of early church writings at earlychristianwritings.com/index.html. It ends chronologically with Origen, but I’m sure the writings from 300-600 A.D. or so are somewhere online, too.
My pleasure!
And thanks for sharing the Church fathers link.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #30
Questions Without Answers
Richard Condon
Many people have a very limited view of God’s plan of salvation and when approached with questions, are unable to give an answer, or, unable to give a correct answer. This can be, first and foremost, attributed to lack of true Bible study. It can be caused by the bias of denominational beliefs, creeds, other individual interpretations, or from relying on other people to answer for them.
But, what does the Bible have to say about the individual Christian being able to give an answer when questioned? 2 Timothy 2:15 says to:
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
They are told to “Study”, or “be diligent”, as some Bibles have it translated. Why? To be “approved unto God” and so as “not to be ashamed” when questions are asked. How and what are they told to study? By “rightly dividing the word of truth”, which is the Bible.
Next, look at what the Apostle Peter says concerning questions and answers in 1 Peter 3:15.
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”
Within this short verse of Scripture, there are several thoughts that need to be mentioned. These are:
- Be READY to give an Answer – be prepared.
- Be ready ALWAYS – do not put off a Question.
- Be ready always to give an answer – evasion excites suspicion.
- Give an answer to EVERY ONE that asks you.
- A REASON is asked for – not an assertion.
- The answer should be a reason of THE HOPE [not the fear] that is in you.
- The Question is to be answered [not in a passion, but] with MEEKNESS toward man, and FILIAL FEAR toward God.
Below, is a list of 213 questions that will help to clarify God’s plan of salvation as set forth in the Holy Bible, so that when questions are asked, correct answers can be given. **To those holding a limited view of God’s plan of salvation, they are truly Questions Without Answers, but, to those who rely on God’s Word, the answers become apparent as His truth is revealed to them. **The questions were written by A. C. Thomas and appeared in a book by E. H. Lake, entitled “The Key to Truth”.
Now the Questions:
- As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)
- If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?
- Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?
- As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?
- If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)
- As “love thinketh no evil,” can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)
- As “love worketh no ill,” can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)
- As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)
- Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?
- If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?
- Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?
- As we are commanded “to overcome evil with good,” may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)
- Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?
- If God hates the sinner, does the sinner do wrong in hating Him?
- Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)
- If God loves His enemies now, will he not always love them?
- Is it just for God to be “kind to the evil and unthankful,” in their present life? (Luke 6:35)
- Would it be unjust for God to be kind to all men in a future state?
- If all men justly deserve endless punishment, will not those who are saved, be saved unjustly?
- If God “will by no means clear the guilty,” by what means can just punishment be evaded? (Ex. 34:7)
- As no man can measure endless punishment to his neighbor, will endless punishment be measured to him? (Luke 4:38)
- Would it be merciful in God to inflict endless punishment? – that is, merciful to the sufferer?
- Can that be just which is not merciful?
- Do not cruelty and injustice go hand in hand?
- Can that be merciful which is not just?
- Does divine justice demand the infliction of pain from which mercy recoils?
- Does divine mercy require any thing that justice refuses to grant?
- If the demands of divine justice are opposed to the requirements of mercy, is not God divided against Himself?
- If the requirements of mercy are opposed to the demands of the justice of God, can His kingdom stand? – (Mark 3:24)
- If the justice and mercy of God are any way opposed, do they "keep the unity of the spirit in the bonds of peace?’
- If justice and mercy are opposed to their requirements can Deity be a just God and a Savior? – (Isaiah 14:21)
- If “a God all mercy is a God unjust,” would not a God all justice be a God unmerciful?
- Is there any such thing in God as unjust mercy, or unmerciful justice?
- Is there any such thing in God as just cruelty, or merciful injustice?
- If you had sufficient power would you not deliver all men from sin?
- Are you more merciful than the God Who made you?
- ‘Can a woman forget her sucking child?’
- Is the Creator of human sympathy less benevolent than the creature?
- If God WOULD save all men, but CANNOT, is He infinite in power?
- If God CAN save all men, but WILL NOT, is He infinite in goodness?
- Does God DESIRE the salvation of all men? (1 Tim. 2:3-4)
- As God is righteous, must not the desire for universal salvation be a RIGHTEOUS desire?
- Is it true, that “the desire of the righteous shall be granted?” – (Prov. 10:24)
- Did God design universal salvation when He created man?
- Will God carry His original design into execution?
- Can finite man frustrate the purposes of the Almighty?
- Is every individual under obligation to be thankful for his existence?
- Will this obligation eternally continue?
- Can any one be thankful for that which, on the whole, is not a blessing?
- If any one be rendered endlessly miserable, will he be still under obligation to thank God for existence?
- Would endless misery benefit the Almighty, as the INFLICTOR?
- Would endless misery benefit the saints, as SPECTATORS?
- Would endless misery benefit the sinner, as the SUFFERER?
- If endless punishment be the “wages of sin,” could the sinner ever receive payment in full? (Rom. 6:23)
- As man is a finite being, can he commit an infinite sin?
- If man cannot commit an infinite sin, can he deserve endless punishment?
- If one sin be infinite, can a million be any more?
- If ONE sin be NOT infinite, can a million of sins amount to an infinite sin?
- If sin be infinite, can one sin be greater than the other?
- If sin be infinite, can it be true that, “where sin abounded grace did MUCH MORE abound?” --(Rom. 5:20)
- If sin be infinite, can it ever be finished or brought to an end?
- If ONE sin deserves an eternity of punishment, how much punishment will TEN sins deserve?
- Do you ardently DESIRE the salvation of all men?
- Is it true that God “openeth his hand and satisfieth the desire of every living thing?” – (Ps. 145:16)
- Do you fervently PRAY for the salvation of all men? (1 Tim. 2:1)
- Do you pray in FAITH, nothing doubting? (James 1:6)
- Are you aware, “that whatsoever is not of faith is sin?” – (Rom 14:23)
- Would God require us to pray for all men, and to pray in faith, unless He intends all men should be saved?
- If you believe endless misery to be the truth of God, why should you desire and pray that it may prove false?
- Can the pleasure of the Almighty be contrary to his determinate will?
- Would the infliction of endless misery afford pleasure to the Deity?
- Can God be glorified by that which gives Him no pleasure?
- As Jesus “tasted death for every man,” can it be true that “the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hands,” if a part are never saved? (Heb. 2:9)
- If God “declares the end from the beginning,” can the final destiny of mankind be contrary to His will?
- Can endless misery be brought about contrary to the GOOD PLEASURE of the Almighty?
- Can God WILL anything contrary to His knowledge?
- Did God know when He created man, that a part of His creatures would be endlessly miserable?
- If God, when He created, did not know the result of creation, is He infinite in knowledge?
- Power is the ability to do: is knowledge simply the ability to know?
- If God knew when He created man, that some would be eternally wretched, did He not will this to be their doom?
- If God willed the endless misery of a part of His creatures, why is it said that “he will have all men to be saved?” – (1 Tim. 2:4)
- If the Scriptures should testify, that God “will have all men to be damned,” could we safely infer that a part might be saved?
- If the Scriptures testify, that God “will have all men to be saved,” can we safely infer that a part may be damned?
- If God made an endless hell before He created man, did He know there would be any use for it?
- If God knew there would be use for an endless hell, must He not have created some men for endless misery?
- If God made an endless hell, was it included in the works which He pronounced “very good?” – (Gen. 1:31)
- If there be an endless hell, and it was not made before the creation of men, when was it made?
- If there be a personal devil, who made him?
- Can there be any such thing as sin in heaven?
- If there was sin in heaven, many not sin be committed there again?
- If an angel of light became a devil, was not Paul in error, when he said Satan is transformed into an angel of light? – (2 Cor 11:14)
- As sin presupposes temptation of some sort, who tempted a holy angel to sin?
- If an angel could sin without a devil to tempt him, may we not sin without a devil to tempt us?
- If a holy angel was tempted to sin by surrounding evil, is heaven a holy place?
- If an angel was tempted by evil passions, could he have been holy?
- If an angel became a devil by sinning, was Adam’s the original sin?
- If Adam became mortal (that is, subject to death,) by sinning, must he not have been created immortal?
- If Adam had been created immortal, could he ever have died?
- If Adam sinned without inheriting total depravity, why should inborn depravity be assigned as the cause of our sins?
- Would there be any more impropriety in imputing MY sins to Adam, than in imputing HIS sins to ME?
- If men are totally depraved by nature, must not children be so likewise?
- If children be totally depraved, is it true, that “of such is the kingdom of heaven?” – (Mark 10:14)
- Men are to be washed from their sins. If they are totally depraved, what is there to wash?
- If evil men and seducers “wax worse and worse,” (2 Tim. 3:13), can they be totally depraved at first?
- If human reason be “carnal and delusive,” why did Jehovah say, “come now and let us REASON together?” – (Isa. 1:18)
- If reason be delusive, why should some folks reason against the use of reason?
- Can an effect exist without a cause sufficiently powerful to produce it?
- If “we love God because he first loved us,” is it true that we must first love HIM before He will love us?
- If “we love God because he first loved us,” is it not plain that He loved US when we did not love HIM?
- If God loved US when we did not love HIM, is not our love to Him the EFFECT (and not the CAUSE) of His love to US?
- Was it consistent with divine justice, to love us, when we did not love Him?
- If God once loved us, will not that love eternally continue?
- If the love of God is the cause which produces love in man, can anger and wrath produce the same effect?
- Is it the revealed will of God that all men should be saved?
- Can God will all men to be saved, knowing that a part will be forever lost?
- If God has two wills, why is double-mindedness condemned in the Scriptures?
- If God has two wills, why does the Bible say, “He is of one mind?”
- If God has a secret will, how did you gain a knowledge of it?
- Can that be a secret which has been revealed?
- If God revealed His secret will to “the saints,” why should they reveal it to “the wicked?”
- If God under any circumstances, wills the endless misery of a human soul, in what does He differ from Satan?
- Can Jesus Christ be the Savior of any more than He actually saves?
- Can Jesus be “the Savior of the world,” (1 John 4:14), if the world is not saved by him?
- Is Christ, in any sense, the Savior of unbelievers?
- If Christ be in no sense the Savior of unbelievers, why are unbelievers called upon to believe in Christ as their Savior?
- If unbelievers are not called upon to believe in Christ as their Savior, what are they to believe?
- Must not the thing to be believed, be true before it is believed?
- Must not the thing to be believed continue to be true, whether it be believed or disbelieved?
- “What if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith, [or faithfulness] of God of none effect?” – (Rom. 3:3)
- Is it true that “God hath concluded all in unbelief that he might have mercy on all?” – (Rom 9:32)
- Can God be “especially the Savior of them who believe,” unless He be actually the Savior of all? – (1 Tim. 4:10)
- If belief and good works in this life, be essential to eternal salvation in the next, can infants be saved?
- Can the good actions of finite man merit an infinite reward?
- Can the evil actions of finite man merit infinite punishment?
- If men are saved by works, is salvation of grace?
- If one man is saved by grace, why should not all be saved in like manner?
- Is God a partial being?
- Can the faith of the Partialists be based in the wisdom that is “full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality?” – (James 3:17)
- Can sufficient provision be made for the salvation of all men, if some men are never saved?
- Must not sufficient provision be sufficient to subdue the will of the creature?
- Is there any other way to determine the sufficiency of the means employed, than by the accomplishment of the end designed?
- Does not the law of God require all men to love him supremely, and their neighbors as themselves?
- Is it true, that “not one jot or tittle of this law shall pass till all be fulfilled?” – (Matt. 5:18)
- Does not justice require of us the fulfilment of the law of God?
- Will not justice be eternally violated, if the law of God be not universally fulfilled?
- Can they fulfil the law of love who are rendered eternally miserable?
- Can justice require the obedience of the sinner, and at the same time require his eternal disobedience?
- If whoso “offereth praise glorifieth God,” (Ps. 1:23), can He be glorified by those who have no cause to praise Him?
- If any one be rendered eternally miserable, can he have any cause to praise His Maker?
- Will God ever place some of his creatures in such a situation they cannot praise him?
- Do you believe that endless punishment would manifest the glory of God?
- Can you rejoice in the hope of the glory of God?
- Would not the salvation of half of mankind glorify God more than the salvation of one-fourth?
- Would not the salvation of nine-tenths of mankind glorify God more than the salvation of one-half?
- Can we give “glory to God in the highest,” without believing in the salvation of all men?
- If “all have sinned, and (thus) come short of the glory of God,” (Rom. 3:23), would eternal sinning mend the matter?
- Shall “every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father?” – (Philippians 2:11)
- Is endless misery “good tidings of great joy which shall be to all people?”
- Could man be endlessly miserable without being endlessly a sinner?
- If sin exist eternally, can it be true that Christ was to finish the transgression, and to make and end of sin? – (Dan. 9:34)
- As Jesus gave himself a ransom for all men, can he ever “see the travail of his soul and be satisfied,” if endless misery be true?
- Do you hope that endless misery is true?
- Is “faith the substance (or foundation) of things hoped for?” – (Heb. 11:1)
- If endless misery be not a thing hoped for, can it be a part of the Christian faith?
- Is it certain that one soul will be eternally lost?
- Is it certain that one soul will be saved?
- Is it certain that all will not be damned?
- Is it certain that all will not be saved?
- Can that be certain which is not decreed?
- If it be certain that one soul will be saved, must there not be a decree concerning the salvation of a definite number?
- If the number of the saved be definitely fixed, must not the number of the damned be equally definite?
- If there be no certainty in relation to the final destiny of man, is not salvation a work of chance?
- What better is chance than Atheism?
- If God knew, when he created, what the end of each soul would be, is not that end as certain as if it was decreed?
- Is not the merciful man always merciful to his beast?
- Will not the merciful God be always as merciful to His creatures, as the merciful man is to his beast?
- Is it true that the “tender mercies of the Lord are over all his works?” – (Ps. 145:9)
- Is it true that the Almighty is without variableness, or the shadow of turning?
- Would there be any tender mercy in the infliction of endless misery?
- Are the tender mercies of the Lord like unto the tender mercies of the wicked which are cruel?
- If God is not the Father of sinners, why should sinners pray, saying, “Our Father, forgive us our trespasses?”
- “Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?” – (Mal. 2:10)
- If God be the Father of all men, will He do less for His children than earthly parents would do for theirs?
- Is it true that God punishes us “for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness?” – (Heb. 12:11)
- Would endless punishment be for our profit?
- Would endless punishment “yield the peaceable fruits of righteousness unto them who are exercised thereby?”
- Is there an afterward to eternity? – (Heb. 7:14)
- Can any doctrine be too good to be true?
- Will God contend forever and be always wroth? – (Isa. 62:16)
- Will the Lord cast off forever? – (Lam. 3:31-33)
- Can he be a Christian who worships the Lord through fear of the devil?
- Can he be a Christian who affirms that if he believed in the salvation of all men, he would not worship God?
- Can he be a Christian who inquires, “if all men are to be saved, what use is there in being virtuous?”
- Some persons say, that if they did not believe in endless punishment, they would take their fill of sin. How much sin would it take to fill a Christian?
- If “the goodness of God leadeth to repentance,” why should His eternal wrath be preached to sinners?
- If “the goodness of God leadeth to repentance,” why should it not be supposed that repentance leadeth to the goodness of God?
- If “the goodness of God leadeth to repentance,” are not the impenitent the objects of His goodness?
- Is not the goodness of God co-extensive and co-eternal with His wisdom and power?
- As the wisdom of God can never change to folly, nor His power to weakness, will His goodness ever change to hatred?
- Can Deity be universally and eternally good, if endless misery be true for a single soul?
- If all men deserve endless punishment, would it not be right for God to inflict it?
- “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
- If it would be right for God to punish all men eternally, would it not be wrong for Him hot to do it?
- As the infliction of endless misery would be returning evil for evil, would it be right for Deity to inflict it?
- If the return of evil for evil be right in Deity, would it not be equally right in man?
- As “fear hath torment,” and true religion is happiness, can fear produce true religion?
- As “perfect love casteth out fear,” will not fear cast out perfect love?
- Can fear imbue the soul with perfect love?
- Must not they who “believe and tremble,” be possessed of the faith of devils?
- Does the belief of endless misery cause the believer to “rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory?” – (1 Pet. 1:8)
- Can a belief of any thing short of universal salvation, fill the soul with “joy and peace?”
- Will not the devil and all his works be destroyed? – (Heb. 2:14; 1 John 3:8)
- Will not death, the last enemy, be swallowed up in victory and destroyed? – (Isa. 25:6-8; 1 Cor. 15:26-54)
A REFUTATION AND A RESPONSE - Richard Condon
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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #31
RAY PRINZING
Everyone has an “opinion,” including Ray Prinzing (my earthly hero and mentor).
I’m just so glad that I discovered his “opinion” that enabled me to recover from a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78, I’m 73 now) caused by my inability to trust a god who would let anyone suffer forever.
During my breakdown, every morning, as I washed my family’s dishes, I would listen to one of Ray Prinzing’s many tapes.
I have listened to 178 of them once, and 23 of them several times.
In addition to these tapes, I always read every issue of his periodical GOSPEL ECHOES which he later renamed LETTERS OF TRUTH (because someone else had the copyright on GOSPEL ECHOES) and I gleaned many pages of his writings into my personal journal.
Many people have a hero, someone in their life that made a contribution to their welfare so significant that it is far above the influence that anyone else has had.
Ray Prinzing is that hero to me.
For several years my 99 year old dad (who is still living) called me from his nursing home each evening. Each time he called I read a portion of my over four thousand page journal to him, and many of these readings are the gleanings that I wrote from Ray Prinzing’s writings and tapes. Many nights my dad fell asleep listening to one of Ray’s tapes.
As I listened to Ray’s tapes I gradually became more and more sure that I was going to recover. The contents of his tapes gave me the courage, in 1978, to take a public stand that I believe that the Bible teaches universal transformation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.
My panic attacks completely stopped.
And now I spend most of my time offering people, in various ways, the information that helped me recover and helps me stayed recovered, and I am pleased to report that I have a lot of evidence that the info I post has helped, and is helping many other people in the same way that it helped me.
All of Ray Prinzing’s writings can be accessed by typing his name into Google. There are several pages of Google links about Ray Prinzing.
ETers frequently like to say that Ray Prinzing was deceived by the devil.
I encourage anyone who might be interested, to check out his writings and judge for yourself.
I was especially helped by his book called
REDEMPTION ALL IN ALL
sigler.org/sirius8/rpredemption.htm
hellbusters.8m.com/contall.htm
Ray Prinzing has now passed on, but his influence is so wide spread that he will not be forgotten on this earth for many, many years, if ever. And that is a very good thing!
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #32
RAY PRINZING TAPES
RAY PRINZING IS MY EARTHLY HERO AND MENTOR
GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GOOD WRITINGS
During my twelve year nervous breakdown caused by my inability to love a god who would allow anyone to suffer forever, I would listen to a Ray Prinzing tape while I washed the dishes of my family every day. Through the years that I repeatedly listened to these tapes I became more and more confident that that I was going to recover from my breakdown.
In the opinion of Rodger Tutt of Toronto, Canada, the following are the best of all of Ray Prinzing’s taped sermons.
6 CHRIST OUR MERCY SEAT
8 NO SUBSTITUTE
9 TRUST
16 SEE NO EVIL
29 THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE
30 GOD’S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE
32 SUFFICIENT THE EVIL
35 CHANGING THY STRENGTH
36 AS KINGS AND PRIESTS
38 REVELATION TO REVELATION
42 THE TREE OF LIFE
48 KEPT IN PEACE
51 GOD’S RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS
55 ALLEGORY OF RACHEL
56 NONE SHALL BE LOST
59 REPENTANCE TOWARDS GOD
61 AND GOD REPENTED
63 THE END OF THE LORD
71 URGED ON BY FAITH
76 MINISTRY OF SALT
89 BLESSINGS REWARDED OR INHERITED
90 NO CONDEMNATION
95 NOT SOMEHOW BUT TRIUMPHANTLY
101 PASSING THROUGH
104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL
105 THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD
109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION
111 OF THE SAME LUMP
119 HELD TOGETHER BY LOVE
121 ESTABLISH THE SECOND
122 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART TWO
123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE
128 ADVANCE IN ADVERSITY
131 ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT
133 AFTER THE PRESSURES
134 THE POLISHED SHAFT
135 INTERNAL TRIUMPH
136 RECONCILED INTO HIMSELF
138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING
142 THE HIDDEN ONES
143 GOD’S GENTLENESS TO MAN
147 BEYOND DISCIPLINE
148 BEHOLDING HIM
149 DELIVERANCE
150 ENTER THY CHAMBERS
151 GOD OF THE VALLEY
152 GOD OF THE MOUNTAINS
153 IN QUIETNESS
154 IN CONFIDENCE
158 RENEWED INTO HIS MIND
160 EAT THE BOOK
161 HOLD FAST TO THE HEAD
162 THE SEVENTH MAN
164 SORROW TURNED INTO JOY
165 MAKE READY A PEOPLE
166 DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS
167 THE BIRTHRIGHT CHALLENGE
168 MY FATHER IS GREATER
169 HIS PARTICIPATING PRESENCE
170 CHANGES, TYRANNY OR BLESSING
171 TILL HE PLEASE
172 IN HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
173 KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL
174 THE SWORD GUARDED WAY
175 THE HEAVENLY VISION
176 DEFEATING THE ACCUSERS
177 NEITHER TOIL NOR SPIN
178 THE LAW OF CIRCULARITY
180 HE THAT SHALL ENDURE
181 LIFT UP A STANDARD
183 MUCH MORE
186 WHEN GOD HIDES HIS FACE
187 FAITH VICTORIOUS
188 DIVINE CONFIRMATION
189 WAIT FOR WISDOM’S CHILDREN
190 GOD CHOSE OUR FATHERS
192 LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER
194 EARTHEN VESSEL SINKS
196 A VERY PRESENT HELP
197 A NEW COAT, YEAR BY YEAR
198 COME UP HITHER
199 UNDER HIS SHADOW
200 A HUSHED SECRET
201 EXPECTATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
202 RETURNING INTO GOD
203 PUT A DIFFERENCE
204 FROM EAST TO WEST
206 TIME OF YOUR SOJOURNING
207 HIS HAND IS STRETCHED OUT
208 WHAT SHALL I DO?
209 TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS
210 GIVE DILIGENCE
211 LIVING EPISTLES
215 THE LORD THY REARWARD
216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD
217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS
218 HOLD FAST TILL I COME
219 ACTIVELY RESTING
221 AN INNER REJOICING
222 BLESS ME INDEED
224 NO MORE ECCENTRIC
225 NOT A SPIRIT OF FEAR
226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS
227 AND SUDDENLY
228 THE HEAVENLY HOST ATTENDS
229 FIT FOR THE KINGDOM
230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY
231 GOD IS IN CONTROL
232 THE LORD OUR HELPER
233 OUR THREEFOLD JUDGEMENT
235 GOD COUNTED THE COST
236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY
237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
238 FROM POVERTY TO RICHES
239 ABIDING IN GOD
240 PARTS OF HIS WAYS
241 CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST
242 MASTER OF MYSELF
243 ANOINTED EYE SIGHT
244 FAITH THAT OBTAINS
246 THE FURNACE FOR GOLD
247 RAISE UP THE FOUNDATION
248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND
250 INWARD REVELATION OF THE SON
251 KINGDOM LIFE TRANSFORMING
252 SO GROWS THE KINGDOM
253 AFTER YE HAVE SUFFERED
254 CHOSEN TO KNOW HIS WILL
255 HEALING THE BREACHES
256 OUR THREEFOLD RESURRECTION
257 A THORN FOR THE FLESH
258 THE MINISTRY OF WAITING
259 THERE IS A RIVER
267 HEARING, LEARNING, COMING
268 THE LORD ALWAYS BEFORE ME
269 HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED
270 GOLD IN THE MAKING
271 MAKE TO LACK, READY TO FILL
273 ACQUAINTED WITH THE ALMIGHTY
274 EACH IN HIS OWN RANK
278 GOD’S UNFINISHED WORK
280 FULLY PERSUADED
285 CONTINUALLY WITH HIM
286 SURRENDERED TO HIS LORDSHIP
295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS
296 INIQUITY SHALL HAVE AN END
297 OVERFLOW WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS
298 THINGS BELONGING TO PEACE
301 HIS DESIRE IS TOWARD ME
302 REFINED AS SILVER
303 AND GOD REMEMBERED
304 LOOSE THE PRISONER
305 ASPECTS OF SPIRITUAL LIFE
306 GOD’S INDWELLING CONTROL
307 OUT OF HIM WE CAME
308 GRACE UPON GRACE
309 JUDGEMENT RESTS FOR A LIGHT
310 HIS MERCY ENDURETH FOREVER
312 THE SURE MERCIES OF DAVID
315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED
316 TOTAL AVAILABILITY
317 VIEWING THE THIRD DAY
326 KINGDOM AUTHORITY
THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE RAY PRINZING TAPES
GOOGLE UP RAY PRINZING TO READ SOME REALLY GREAT WRITINGS
Ray Prinzing’s very best, and his two extra good tapes.
30 GOD’S WONDERFUL VENGEANCE
101 PASSING THROUGH
104 THE INTERPLAY OF GOOD AND EVIL
109 PLENTEOUS REDEMPTION
123 ESTABLISH THE SECOND, PART THREE
138 AT PEACE WITH YOUR CALLING
215 THE LORD THY REARWARD
216 THE ANGER OF THE LORD
217 GOD APPOINTED HORIZONS
226 FORGET NOT ALL HIS BENEFITS
230 JUDGEMENT UNTO VICTORY
232 THE LORD OUR HELPER
235 GOD COUNTED THE COST (extra good)
236 THY LIFE FOR A PREY
237 THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS
248 SHALL PROSPER IN HIS HAND
255 HEALING THE BREACHES
295 TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS
315 THE DEVIL DESTROYED
339 GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE
352 BUT GOD MUCH MORE
385 FREEDOM OF THE GLORY
387 ESTABLISHED BY GRACE (extra good)
I’ve not seen this thread before Rodger - what a wonderful resource you’ve built up for us all here. Thank you so much.
Blessings
Dick 
You are very welcome!
It is my pleasure to share what has been a help to me.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #33
FROM RICHARD CONDON’S GOD’S TRUTH FOR TODAY ARCHIVES
THE MAIN LIBRARY AND IN THE GARDEN
web.archive.org/web/201107132242 … /gtft.org/
If the link won’t open, click on the word “impatient?”
This is a link to a large library of writings by many believers in universal salvation.
I think the sub-section called IN THE GARDEN is especially good.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #34
THE DESTINY OF SATAN
UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION – MINNIE ALBERTSON
“The original scriptures taught final universal salvation; but translators usually rejected that theme. So they added to, or dropped words, to make the text conform to their wrong thinking. They could not eradicate the original theme; but we inherited their wrong thinking in our translations, and so we have the resulting direct contradictions. Unknown time periods they made endless.
Salvation is for angels also. ‘All things were created by Him, and for Him’ (Col. 1:16).
‘For Thy pleasure they are and were created (Rev. 4:11). So He ‘reconciles all things unto Himself, whether they be on earth, or things in the heavens (Col. 1:16-21).
Even the devil is not too evil to be corrected. Note who he belongs to, as well as those he deceives. ‘The deceived and the deceiver are His’ (Job 12:16). (end quote)
“God delights to reconcile all, whether those on the earth, or those in the heavens (Col. 1:20). Therefore there is no more reason to suppose that Satan is not included therein than that any other certain creature is not included therein. Therefore it must be that that notable creature who had rightly long been termed “the Adversary,” is very much included in the reconciliation of the universe, at which time this title (“Adversary” or “Satan”) necessarily will no longer apply, since he will be reconciled and be at peace.” (end quote)
Jim Coram, UNSEARCHABLE RICHES, March 2005.
“Ah, I long intently for that day when even the devil himself shall put away his pitchfork, hang up his horns, and come humbly and brokenly to the Father’s house! Does that startle you? How else could it be in that glad day when the Christ has finally RECONCILED ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH, including all the PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS OF THE HEAVENLY SPHERE!” (end quote)
RECONCILIATION IN THE HEAVENS – J. Preston Eby godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html
THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL – PAUL SIEGVOLCK
“Col. 1: 16-20 teaches us the extent of the reconciliation made by Christ, namely, that it extends itself over the whole creation. Therefore the fallen angels must also necessarily have their share in it, for they do incontestably belong to the invisible things created by Christ, and consequently to all things including the things in the heavens.
‘Jehovah is good to all: and His tender mercies are over all His works.’ Psalm 145:9
In this passage we are plainly told that the mercy of God, or His tender love, does not only extend itself to men, but universally towards all creatures that have their being and stand in need of mercy; and consequently also towards the fallen angels; which tender love of God must necessarily at last effect or bring about the restoration of all corrupt creatures, for it is not a weak or faint, but an almighty love.”
AVITUS and BASIL, A GRECIAN (approx. 410 A.D.) together taught
“Future torments are not endless; for although they are called everlasting, yet that word in the original Greek, does not, according to its etymology, and its frequent use, signify endless, but answers only to the duration of an age; so that every sinner, after the purification of his conscience, shall return into the unity of the body of Christ.
The devil himself will at length be saved, when all his wickedness shall have been subdued.
ERSKINE’S SKETHCHES OF CHURCH HISTORY records the words of John Gasper Christian Lavater.
“God is not gracious in time and cruel through eternity. Ascribe not to God, what in a human judge all would account a defect in wisdom and goodness, the punishing for the sake of punishing. It is enough my Creator, Thou art love. Love seeketh not her own; Thou seekest the happiness of all, and shouldst Thou not then find what Thou seekest? Shouldst Thou not be able to do what Thou willest?
My prayers are comprehensive. I embrace in my heart all men; present and future times, and nations, yea Satan himself. I present them all to God, with the warmest wishes that He will have mercy on them all.”
CLOUDS AND SUNSHINE – J.S. Taylor
I cannot believe that any being will exist in any part of the universe, so steeped in guilt and anguish (no, not Satan himself), as to be beyond the redeeming love and healing power of the Creator.
Oh, no; on the contrary, I believe that in this mysterious, but divinely ordained conflict of good and evil, the powers of light are everywhere slowly but surely gaining the ascendancy over the powers of darkness, and that it will continue to be so, even unto the perfect day; yes, that perfect day, wherein all these blessed victories over sin and ignorance shall have been consummated, these transformations completed, and no solitary stain of folly, guilt, or grief, be left to mar the luster of the universe.”
Gregory of Nyssa (335-390)
What is the scope of St. Paul’s dissertations? That the nature of evil shall, at length, be wholly exterminated, and divine immortal goodness embrace within itself every rational creature; so that of all who were made by God, not one shall be excluded from His kingdom. All the viciousness that like a corrupt matter is mingled in things shall be dissolved and consumed in fire; and everything shall be restored to its pristine state of purity.
In 1Cor. 15:22-28, the apostle Paul declares the extinction of all sin, saying that God will be All in all. For God will be truly All in all only when no evil shall remain in the nature of things. All evil must at length, be entirely removed from everything, so that it shall no more exist. For such being the nature of sin, that it cannot exist without a corrupt motive, it must, of course, be perfectly dissolved and wholly destroyed, so that nothing can remain a receptacle of it, when all motive and influences shall spring from God alone.
As the devil assumed a fleshly shape in order to ruin human nature, so the Lord took flesh for the salvation of man; and thus He blesses not only him who was ruined, but him also who led him into perdition; so that He both delivers man from sin, and heals the author of sin himself.”
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #35
REVELATION 20:10
A frequently asked question regarding Revelation 20:10
“How can there only be one age after the millennium when the devil, at the end of the thousand years, is to be tormented unto ages of ages?”
Response by James Coram.
The problem here is a loose usage of terms. The thousand years of the saint’s reign does not constitute the entirety of the coming epochal eon or duration. The two do not end at the same time.
The period of time covered by the word eon depends upon the context. The expression “for the eon” does not necessarily include the entirety of the eon intended. While some seem to think that it must include the whole of a given eon, on the contrary, when an action occurs in an eon, it usually refers only to the rest of it. Our Lord spoke to the barren fig tree, “No longer, by any means, may fruit be coming from you for the eon.” Did He forbid fruit from the deluge to His coming? The tree was not even planted until a thousand years after the flood, and it did produce fruit in this eon, but was to do so no longer (Matt. 21:19; Mark 11:14; John 13:8; 1Cor. 8:13).
So also in the plural. “For the eons” does not denote the whole of them. Christ shall reign over the house of Jacob “for the eons,” yet only two of them will be left when the kingdom commences (Luke 1:33).
The same is true of the phrase “for the eons of the eons.” We read that the saints will be reigning for the eons of the eons (Rev. 22:5). But some of these saints will not be alive at the commencement of the millennial eon. We cannot delay this eon after the advent of the Messiah. Yet Daniel and the dead circumcision saints are not raised until seventy-five days later. Part of the eon will be past when they commence to reign with Him the thousand years (Rev. 20:6). The same usage is found with reference to the torment of the Adversary. Although the wild beast and the false prophet have been in the lake of fire a thousand years before him (Rev. 19:20), only one phrase is used for both: “the eons of the eons (Rev. 20:10). At that juncture, how much of that eon still remains, we do not know. But no matter how little, so it was that our Lord and His apostles spoke, and we should follow His example. This usage in Rev. 20:10 of the word eon does not affect its meaning. The limitations are in the context, not in the word.”
If you look in the Concordant Version of Rev 20:7 please look at the vertical line in front of “finished.” “And whenever the thousand years should be finished, Satan will be loosed out of his jail.” You could say: whenever the thousand years should be finishing . . . ." So Satan is cast into the lake of fire when the thousand years is finishing and through the new earth eon thus comprising the eons of the eons.
“And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.” Revelation 20:10. Those who hold to the theory of “annihilation” contend that Satan is consumed in the lake of fire, ceasing to exist before the new earth begins. Yet the text is plain: he will be tormented during TWO eons; what remains of the “millennial” eon (which lasts a little over 1,000 years), and the final eon on the new earth. Likewise, we are told of those who “shall be reigning for the eons of the eons.” Rev. 22:5. That they shall be reigning on the new earth is apparent- Rev. 21:24. Likewise, Satan will be alive (and in torment) during the final eon.
Mistranslating “eons of the eons” as “forever and ever” solves nothing; it only feeds the vile theory of eternal torment, while generating considerable confusion. As for those vessels of indignation who are cast into the lake of fire near the end of the millennial eon, for them that lake is the second death. Yet they are not annihilated; their part is in that lake during the final eon- Rev. 21:8. They are not described as “nonexistent”, rather, they are described as being outside the holy city- Rev. 22:15. They will be dead until death is abolished at the consummation of the eons.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #36
SEQUENTIAL LOGIC
Can God do anything He wishes? Yes. “All that Yahweh delights He does,
In the heavens and on earth, In the seas and every abyss” Ps. 135:6.
See Matt. 19:25, 26.
Does God wish all to be saved? Yes. “Who will have all men to be saved
and to come to the knowledge of the truth” 1 Tim. 2:4. See Acts 4:12.
Therefore, it is apparent that God is able to save what was lost, and
since He desires to save all that was lost, He has promised to do just
that. Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 1:20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28.
Faith in God’s promises,
And an acquaintance with His character and power,
KNOWING THE REAL JESUS
godfire.net/eby/godislove.html
and sequential logic,
and THE HISTORY OF THE EARLY CHURCH
hellbusters.8m.com/updcontents.html
all support universal reconciliation.
Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #37
THE GRAND ASSERTION – (author unknown)
Does anyone know who wrote this?
I would like to give them credit for it.
ALL OF MANKIND WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND ALL OF MANKIND WILL COME TO BELIEVE IN JESUS AS LORD AND GOD AS SAVIOR FOLLOWING THE NECESSARY DISCIPLINE OF THE CONSUMING PURIFYING FIRE OF GOD.
Mal 3:2b "For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap;”
SUB-ASSERTION #1
MANKIND WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST HAVING BEEN RECONCILED TO GOD BY HIS DEATH
Rom 5:6-10 “For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died
for the ungodly. But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while
we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, because we have
now been declared righteous by his blood, we will be saved through him from
God’s wrath. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God
through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled,
will we be saved by his life?
Note that a summary of these verses could be the following:
While we were helpless ungodly sinners who were His enemies, Christ died
for us, declared us righteous by his blood, will save us from God’s wrath,
and reconciled us to God through His death.
Helpless ungodly sinners who were enemies of God and Christ may be words
written to those of Rome who were currently believers, but here Paul is
obviously referencing their status with God prior to their becoming
believers. Therefore the being reconciled to God and declared righteous
occurred prior to belief since these descriptions are hardly of believers.
At the foot of the cross were many helpless ungodly sinners who were the
enemies of Jesus, yet He said, “Father forgive them for they don’t know
what they are doing”. I believe the Father was in agreement with this
prayer of Jesus and so their sins were or will be forgiven on the merits of
Jesus alone. Mankind was declared righteous, or justified on that day.
Paul reinforces the fact of being declared righteous was for all mankind a
few verses later in Rom 5:18, “Consequently, just as one offense resulted
in condemnation for everyone, so one act of righteousness results in
justification and life for everyone.”
SUB-ASSERTION #2
NO “PUNISHMENT”, “DESTRUCTION”, “PERISHING”, “LOSTNESS” IS ETERNAL; RATHER GOD’S “PUNISHMENTS” OR “DESTRUCTION” ARE CORRECTIVE IN NATURE
Now, we do need His discipline to make us fit for His kingdom. This
discipline will not be “eternal”, but it will be “aeonian or eonian”, the
English equivalents of the Greek “aionios”. “Aeonian” punishment as
referred to in Mt. 25:46, one of the proof texts for those who hold to the
heresy of the eternal torment of non-believers, is the type of correction
that God will administer to the unbeliever. The noun being modified by
aeonian is the word punishment, which is the Greek “kolasis” which has been
used in reference to “pruning” a plant for the purpose of better
production. “Kolasis” punishment is the corrective type, whereas, “timoria”
punishment is the retributive type. The “aeonian” life in Mt. 25:46 is the
life given to the believer by God beginning at the point of belief. This
is that life we enjoy as believers which blesses us now as we deal with
this physical life and also blesses us with the promise of immortality and
therefore everlasting communion with our Father.
Aeonian destruction as referenced in 2 Thess. 1:7-9, “…who will be punished
with aeonian destruction from the presence of the Lord,…”, is the kind of
destruction necessary for God to administer for the fulfillment of His
purposes. Destruction is equivalent to death in that it is “from the
presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power”. Jesus was
“destroyed” at the cross, but as in His case, so with all cases of
destruction or death, there is no sense of “eternal” associated with them
as Jesus rose to life and “the last enemy to be eliminated will be death”.
The “lost” sheep, coin, and son of Luke 15 referred to a condition that did
not last forever. The word “lost” is the translation of the Greek
“apollumi”, from which we have the translations lose, lost, perish,
destroy, etc. As we can see in Luke 15, the sheep, coin, and son were only
“lost” until they were found. This harmonizes with the fact that Jesus
said He came to “seek and save the lost”.
Note that the following verse tells us that there is a special benefit for
becoming a believer now, but that God will save all of the “lost”
unbelievers also. 1Tim 4:10 “For to this end we toil and strive, because
we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all men,
especially of those who believe.” The Greek word that got translated
“especially” here is “malista”. Checking its usage in other verses makes
it clear that especially is a good choice for English since it does refer
to extra special attention to something, but not to the exclusion of other
items mentioned in the context.
The Hebrew word “olam” has as its Greek equivalents “aion” and “aionios” in
the Septuagint. An analysis of the approximately 440 occurrences of olam
in the Old Testament suggests that it means a period of time without the
end in sight but not necessarily “eternal”, or “everlasting” or “forever”,
if it should ever be. Olam was only 3 days in the case of Jonah’s duration
in the fish, even though the “traditional” translation has been “forever”.
Also, the length of time a person would be the slave has been referred to
as “forever”, which we know is literally only for their physical lifetime.
Some versions never use eternal, everlasting, or forever for olam. Have
you noticed some versions use the phrase “forever and ever”. Have you ever
given thought to the absurdity of adding the words “and ever” after you
have already said forever? What’s more than forever? That’s like saying
something lasts for an eternity and then for another eternity. The
absurdity of this should add to our awareness of the bias of those
translators who consistently translate olam, aion, and aionios as eternal,
everlasting, forever, or the absurd “forever and ever” phrase.
An analysis of the word “hell” is quite revealing. Jesus used the word
“geena” or “hades” and tradition (KJV, Catholic church, etc.) has had the
ignorant audacity to use this Anglo-Saxon word “hell”, which means
“unseen” (a-des), corresponding to the Hebrew “sheol” and attach to it a
meaning out of pagan mythology of a place of eternal torment. Dr. Thomas
Thayer in his book “The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless
Punishment” traces this myth of eternal torment that became associated with
the word hell to ancient Egypt. Geena (sometimes Gehenna) was the Valley
of Hinnom which became a garbage dump on the outskirts of Jerusalem where
carcasses of criminals were burned which Jesus metaphorically referenced as
a future potential punishment with no sense of “eternal” punishment
inherent in its meaning. This refers to aeonian punishment which again is
God’s corrective punishment. Gehenna should have been left untranslated
because it is a geographical location that the Jews of Jesus’ audience knew
exactly what he was referring to. Hades should have also been left
untranslated or translated as “unseen” or “the grave” as some versions do,
as Hades definitely has no inherent punishment connotation. There are a
number of versions that don’t use the word “hell” even once, realizing the
bad rap the word has gotten with the erroneous connotation.
SUB-ASSERTION #3
ALL HUMANITY WILL COME TO BELIEVE IN GOD AND WILL WORSHIP HIM SOONER OR LATER
The following are 5 witnesses (scriptures) from 4 of God’s servants: DAVID,
ISAIAH, PAUL, and JOHN.
NOTE: Nowhere in the Word do we have any evidence that one must come to
belief in this lifetime, which is another myth of man; contrariwise, we
have much evidence in the following verses and many others that some will
only come to belief after their physical death. At this point some might
think of the Rich Man and Lazarus parable, Matt. 13:34. Parables must be discerned
spiritually as they are not to be taken literally since they are fictional
stories to convey a spiritual message. Consider this, Rich Man = Jews and
Lazarus = Gentiles and the spiritual message is that the Jews will be
disciplined for their attitude toward and treatment of the Gentiles.
Keep in mind that belief is granted by God in His time not in man’s. God
grants belief to some in this lifetime and others after their physical
death. The myth that one must come to belief in this lifetime is something
man dreamed up or more than likely got from the pagans and added to his
traditions, but God’s word does not speak of it.
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him;
and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Phi 1:29 “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you
should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,”
THE MASTER PLAN OF THE MASTER COULD BE SUMMED UP IN A COMPREHENSIVE SUMMARY OF HIS WORD AS FOLLOWS AS ATTESTED BY MANY WITNESSES.
“ALL IS OUT OF ME AND ALL WILL COME BACK TO ME.” — GOD
Rom 11:36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him
be glory forever. Amen.
1Co 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will
also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that
God may be all in all.
GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL = GOD WILL BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE
OUR SPIRIT CAME OUT OF GOD AND WILL RETURN TO GOD
DAVID was inspired to write:
Psalms 22:27-28 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the
LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For
the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations
ISAIAH was inspired to write:
Isa 45:23 By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in
righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
Isa 45:24 "Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and
strength; to him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against
him.
PAUL was inspired to write:
Phi 2:10-11 “…so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow
— in heaven and on earth and under the earth — and every tongue confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”
Rom 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee will
bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.”
JOHN was inspired to record:
Rev 5:13 “And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the
earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on
the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might
for the ages of the ages!”
SINCE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME DEATH WILL CEASE TO BE, LEAVING ONLY LIFE AND HENCE NO MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, ALL OF THESE WITNESSES CAN TESTIFY TO THE SAME THING:
NOTE: The feeble attempt to downplay this worshipping, bowing, and
confessing as somehow “forced”, is born out of bias for eternal torment.
Note particularly in Phil. 2:11 the phrase “to the glory of God the
Father”. It is obviously not giving God glory to say Jesus is Lord without
meaning it and you might also recall what Paul said about saying that Jesus
is Lord, that “…no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit.”
(1 Cor. 12:3b)
EVERY CREATED BEING WILL SOME DAY PRAISE AND GLORIFY GOD
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #38
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER
According to Jesus, by nature, we are children of the devil (John 8:44).
But over and above that are the words that Jesus spoke to the multitude.
“For One is your Father, Who is in heaven.” (Matt. 23: 1and 9).
As sinners, by attitude and actions we demonstrate that we are children of the devil.
But by right of creation, and by right of redemption through Jesus Christ, God is the Heavenly Father of everyone, even Satan (Col. 1:20).
For Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole kosmos (Greek). (1John 2:2)
Sooner or later, according to His perfect timing for each individual, God will effectively call everyone out of darkness into His marvelous light, first the chosen generation, then all the rest later. (1Peter 2:9; Col. 1:20)
A snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY
Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’
Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #39
THE FOLLOWING IS BY BRIAN ON CITY-DATA CHRISTIAN FORUM
It is an “0ff-the-cuff” writing that is so good I strongly feel it is worth sharing!!
“pcamps has been very scripturally bringing us back to the fact that God is not holding men’s sins against them. Can you believe it? Can God just forgive people freely? Is that fair? Is that “just??”
Well, it’s not only fair. It’s GRACE!!
Now, from this link here: Sovereignty Scriptures
I was truly blessed this morning.
Here’s what I feel the LORD was showing me this morning, verse-by-verse:
Mt. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Now many refers to the whole world. Just as the “many” in Romans 5 refers to all mankind, so here too, many are indeed called by God, in God’s time. However, only a few are chosen in this life (such as Paul the apostle) to declare His Grace and His Glory to the world.
Jn. 12:39-40 For this cause they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, “He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart; lest they see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted, and I heal them.”
When God makes the sinner to hear His word, He causes the man to be converted and healed. Without this intervention of God directly in a person’s life, there can be no healing and conversion. God does it all, in His time. When one person is “saved,” that’s God at work. If a person is “not saved,” it’s simply that God is not yet doing work in that person.
Acts 3:26 …and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.
Again, it is GOD who TURNS us AWAY from our sin. He does it in His time. It is an active work on His part, and until He works in the individual, that person can do nothing.
Rom. 5:20 And the law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more.
See that? God added the Law on purpose, in order to increase the transgression. Do you believe that God is for us? If you do, then you must know by now that God increased transgression, in order that His grace would supercede it. It’s all GOD’s doing!! Praise God!
Let’s continue:
Rom. 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Here again we see clearly, that justification is God’s gift, brought in by His Own Hand, and has been extended to ALL mankind. That includes Hitler and Bundy, like it or not!
Rom. 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honor, and another for dishonor?
Rom. 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
Rom. 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
Yes, God made vessels of wrath. But He doesn’t show His wrath on them, but brings them unto salvation by grace, according to His timing.
11:32 For God has shut up all men in disobedience that He may show mercy to all.
Here is God’s final plan. He has made all people sinners, in order to have mercy upon them all! His grace is what saves us, not any works we have done. It is G-R-A-C-E which He bestows upon each sinner, one-by-one, reviving each one as He sees fit!
Grace means that man has no part in it whatsoever. Grace means that, one day, God comes to you and draws you unto Him, giving you conversion and healing. It is by grace that we are saved. As He called Saul, so He will do to each one, in His own time.
Praise God!!
I hope someone out there can hear this!!
Blessings,
brian
A little more on grace:
Jesus told His disciples that no one would be able to come to Him without the Father’s drawing power. (Like a spiritual tractor beam…)
ET denys this. ET says that man can draw himself to God at any time. But that is not scriptural. Grace means that it is God’s doing, not man’s. Here’s more:
Quote:
“Lk. 8:10 To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables; in order that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.”
God purposely opens the eyes of some people, and blinds other people. Why? To show His Grace in His time!
Quote:
“Lk. 10:21-22 No one knows who the Father is except the Son…and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
Here again, Jesus shows us plainly that it is the decision of the Father and the Son, not man.
Quote:
“Mk. 4:10-12 To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables.… lest they return again and be forgiven.”
Question: Have you repented and been forgiven?? If yes, then you must know that it was GOD who made you to understand it. Men who have not been drawn yet do not understand that they have been forgiven! Hallelujah! BUT, when the Father DRAWS you, He spontaneously converts and forgives and heals you!! It is HIS doing, not man’s. This is what is so important to understand. Otherwise, you cannot understand what is meant by God’s grace.
Quote:
“Jn. 6:65 For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
Does the Father “grant” it to everyone? Yes, but not at the same time! That’s why some are saved now. “Many are called, but few are chosen.” That doesn’t mean that most are rejected! That means that a few are chosen in this life. But all are called eventually.
Quote:
“Jn. 12:32 And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself.”
Here’s the promise! Jesus will indeed draw all men. Some now, the rest later. Count on it!
Quote:
“Jn. 17:2 Even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give life eonian.”
Does Jesus have authority over all mankind? YES, and He knows how to use it to our advantage, folks! It’s called GRACE!
Quote:
“Acts 3:26 …and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”
Did God do something here without man’s permission?!? YES! He BLESSED us by turning us from our wickedness!
Does that include Ted Bundy?? YES! (But Bundy didn’t know it, poor fellow… But by now he probably already knows it! )
THAT is God’s GRACE. He reveals His Power to us individually, according to when He so chooses. Individually. And when He does, we are set free!
Quote:
“Acts 11:18 God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Repentance IS GRANTED, NOT CHOSEN. By GRACE we are saved. God’s decision, NOT ours!
Quote:
“Acts 18:27 On arriving, he [Paul] was a great help to those who by grace had believed.”
and this:
Quote:
“Acts 16:14 And the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.”
Now do you see it??? Oh, I do hope so!!!
Blessings of God’s grace to all!!!
Brian
Men are afraid of God. And death.
Why?
Because they haven’t yet been shown by the Father that they have been blessed with Life! And when He draws them to Himself, they will automatically convert and be revived from the dead! All this, by God’s grace!
Jesus told the centurion that he would be “thrust down to hell.” Was he? I believe he was. But not in the afterlife, but while on Earth, when he saw people receiving God’s grace to know Life! What Life? Eternal Life? It is a quality of life. And others were receiving it, and he was tormented because he was not yet drawn by the Father.
But when the Father decides to draw him individually, he will spontaneously repent, be healed and revived into that same Eternal Life.
All according to God’s grace.
May God’s grace touch each of us today!”
brian
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #40
MYTHS
“…they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths." 2 Tim. 4:4
Scripture: “And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.” Luke 6:32-35.
Myth: “God expects something from us (to exercise our free will) before His grace will be of any benefit to us. God loves His enemies, and will give the most ungrateful and wicked among them the wages of sin (death) forever.”
Scripture: “For to vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God.” Romans 8:20, 21.
Myth: “Satan and Adam subjected the creation to vanity. The creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption by the Almighty, by granting incorruptibility to a few, and annihilating the rest.”
Scripture: “…Not one is seeking out God. All avoid Him…” “Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful." Romans 3:11, 12; 9:16.
Myth: “Seek God and you’ll be saved. Your salvation depends on how you exercise your free will. If you’re lost, it will be your own fault.”
Scripture: “For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.” Romans 11:32
Myth: “It was Lucifer’s doing, and Adam’s. God is merciful to all us humans because He gives us a chance to escape the consequences of their sins.”
Scripture: “and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens. And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles" Colossians 1:20, 21.
Myth: “God wishes He could reconcile all the estranged on earth and in the heavens, but He has to have cooperation from those on earth; He can’t do it alone. As for those estranged in the heavens, they’re hopeless.”
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #41
THE MANY
Some ask, Why does it say “the many” instead of “all” in Roman 5:19?
This is because the one disobedient man (Adam), and the One righteous Man (Christ) are put in a class by themselves. They are in contrast with “the many.”
We may put it as follows:
The one disobedient man plus “the many” equals all mankind made sinners.
The One obedient Man plus “the many” equals all mankind made righteous.
That “the one” plus “the many” made sinners includes all mankind no one will deny.
Even so, “the One” plus “the many” made righteous is all-inclusive and guarantees the salvation of all mankind.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #42
THE MILLENNIAL AGE
We have seen that the Millennial age with all its glory is filled with judgment and with an iron rule; and that notwithstanding its unspeakable blessings and Israel’s preeminence, it is far from a perfect state. It can not be the final age. The final age must come with the New Heavens and the New Earth “wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #43
THE SECOND DEATH
THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD – JAMES CORAM
“The main point which we seek to impress upon our readers is to accept God’s declaration that, for those who are judged before the great white throne, the lake of fire is the second death, not a second lifetime.
While the ‘injury’ (literal translation) sustained by those who are cast into the lake if fire (in Revelation 20:14,15) will be fatal (since to these the lake of fire is the second death), it will not be permanent. We may be certain that this is the case, for, at the consummation, death will be abolished and all will be vivified, that God may be All in all. God is the Saviour of all mankind, and this includes all who enter the second death.”
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #44
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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #45
The “Offer” – Kenneth Larsen
Imagine this scenario. An automobile manufacturer builds a vehicle
model which it hopes will become a great success. During testing,
however, it becomes apparent that the car suffers from a severe design
flaw and would pose an imminent danger to the public were it released
for sale. Instead of correcting the flaw, the manufacturer decides it
has a better idea; it mentions the flaw on page 122 of the owner’s
manual and explains there how the owner can have the defect corrected
at the nearest dealership “free of charge”.
Does it appear rather lopsided that the vehicle is sold to
unsuspecting customers with little if any mention of the design
defect? Does it appear rather absurd that the responsibility for
discovering the dangerous defect and having it corrected falls upon
the buyer, when the builder could have fixed the problem before taking
the car to market?
Imagine this scenario. Because of the sin of our forefather, Adam, we
all inherit sin and mortality. None of us are tested as he was, in
order to see if we will be a righteous person or a sinner; we are all
given mortality. Our choices have nothing to do with our present
condition as sinners; we are born that way.
As for salvation from sin and death, that will depend on finding the
proper message and acting on it in an effective manner; otherwise the
condition we inherit at birth will be our everlasting downfall.
Does it appear rather lopsided that the condemnation is universal and
our choice has nothing to do with it, but our salvation from that
condemnation requires our active participation? Does it appear rather
absurd that the responsibility for obtaining salvation depends, in the
final analysis, upon each individual, while we are in no way
responsibe for our needing that salvation in the first place? Doesn’t
it seem strange that perdition is an inherited condition, while
salvation is only an “offer” made to those fortunate enough to stumble
upon it?
Fact is, salvation is not an offer we happen upon; it’s a gift. And a
Savior is One Who saves. In 1 Timothy 4:9-11, we read, “Faithful is
the saying and worthy of all welcome (for for this are we toiling and
being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour
of all mankind, especially of believers. These things be charging and
teaching.” God is the Savior of all mankind, for salvation is the
destiny of all. 1 Cor. 15:20-28; 1 Tim. 4:10; Jn. 12:32; Col. 1:20;
Eph. 1:10; Ro. 5:18, 19; Phil. 2:9-11. God is the Savior of believers
especially because He prefers some from the beginning for salvation
now and during the eons of the eons (2 Thes. 2:13; Rev. 20:4, 5).
Others are vessels of indignation, as indicated in Romans 9, and will
not be saved until the consummation mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:24.
Salvation is not an “offer”; God enlightens all, at the time He
chooses. John 1:9-13.
FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #46
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