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#10

I’m very bad for getting interested in a book and only reading 1/4 to 1/2 of the way through before getting distracted by another one, and my interests are VERY wide, so this list may look weird. Be forewarned. :laughing:

Here are my recent completions and in-progresses:

  1. (finished) Cry of Justice (interesting that JP started this thread!)–definitely the best fantasy I’ve read in a while, and overall in my mind it’s just behind stuff like Lewis’ “Space Trilogy” (which I REALLY love). It was a little slow to begin, but I got the feeling JP may have been testing me a little to see how badly I wanted it, so I kept plowing through. I was on vacation, so I didn’t have much to do. :mrgreen: Anyway, a few (short) chapters in, I was HOOKED through the gills, and I couldn’t put it down. It reminded me of what I heard JP say here at some point, that the Incarnation would have been necessary at some point even in an unfallen world. (Trying not to give spoilers away, here, but that’s difficult to do) :wink: One of the characters seems a little messianic, and I even got some insight into the Bridegroom’s relationship to His Bride…and of the course the epic battle sequences and LOTR-type (sorry JP! :stuck_out_tongue: ) setting and action are great. Suffice to say I can’t wait for my boys to get old enough to share this with them.
  2. (in progress) Raising Hell, Julie Ferwerda
  3. (in progress) Discovering the Character of God, George MacDonald, ed Michael Phillips (thanks for the loan, AaronK!)
  4. (in progress) Terminator and Philosophy. VERY interesting! I can’t believe there’s a book that combines my love of the Terminator storyline and philosophy! amazon.com/Terminator-Philos … 486&sr=8-1
  5. (finished) Peter Hiett’s 150-page pdf, “All Things New.” Really helped connect the dots for me between OT references to punishment/judgment, God’s character/work as a purifying fire, and the age to come. Maybe it’s worth adding to the resources we recommend? I really liked it. tsdowntown.com/page/a-fresh- … l-and-gods His sermon podcasts are awesome, too, for those of you (like me) who don’t have a UR-friendly church service to go to locally.

Those are just off the top of my head. I have some others I’m reading for work, but they’re not handy right now, and I don’t want to misquote something, so those will have to wait for another time…

#11

at the moment i am merely reading a Terry Pratchett book, I Shall Wear Midnight :blush:
to be fair, there’s alot of wisdom in his books mixed with the humour, great social commentary.

i wonder what his take on universalism would be, as he’s written some very inciteful observations on religion, albeit from a fairly Agnostic standpoint.

#12

Can we get a link to that pdf, Neal?

The first several chapters of CoJ are more difficult to read than I would have preferred, due to the weird narrative design. I have reasons for doing it that way, and struggled for years to come up with another way to do it that would still allow me to accomplish my narrative goals for the end of the series (which is why I designed it like this in the first place); but I eventually gave up looking for another solution and just trimmed out as much of Section One as I could in order to move things along as quickly as possible.

So don’t feel bad, even people who love the book have a hard time with the first chapters. I even posted a (slightly off-color) satire of the whole first section here in the comments of this review.

Entirely intentional, although I’m holding some plot cards close to the chest there. I think you can agree with me in saying this ain’t Narnia.

hmmm… I hadn’t thought of the connections with what I’ve written on that, but now that you mention it I can see some. Very good!

Mikon is, of course, very much a fallen world. :slight_smile: Though perhaps not quite to the same extent as ours. One of the concepts to the series is a speculation of how loyal angels would work under God in cultural religion in a fallen world; whereas the scriptures tend to indicate that the guardian angels of other nations have all rebelled in attempting to start up their own competing religions. As a result, ‘pagan’ cultic worship works somewhat differently in Mikon. No one in the southern nations worships the gods per se, for example, even when they respect and try to work with them. And yes, I was extrapolating somewhat from Lewis’ ideas in Narnia and The Space Trilogy.

There are a few other members here who have read CoJ… and even one who has read early drafts of EoJ and SoJ! If you wanted to discuss things with them (and try to pry spoilers out of whoever has read the other two, assuming you find out who that is :mrgreen:), you could try setting up a thread for it.

Or add to this one, started by James’ daughter Valerie several years ago.

(I just want to make sure this thread stays on its intended purpose, as much as I love to talk about my books. Or not talk about them, as the case may be, in order to avoid spoilers for upcoming books. :smiley: )

#13

Yeah, I thought I had linked to it above, but let me see…ah, here it is:
peterhiett.com/whitepages/all_things_new.pdf

Right, it’s almost like a slightly more innocent version of a fallen world. Well, maybe “innocent” isn’t the right word…

Hey! How did THAT happen?! :slight_smile: At least give us a projected publication date…

@corpselight: I’ve also enjoyed Pratchett’s books in the past, as well as Douglas Adams, though I haven’t actually gotten to Hitchhiker’s Guide yet!

#14

The member in question commented so thoroughly and well on CoJ that I offered to send drafts of EoJ and about 2/3 of SoJ for similar comments. Pre-release feedback can be important. :slight_smile:

I keep saying “Next year”, and that reply has worked pretty well so far over the years, so sure, why not? :mrgreen:

A more accurate and detailed reply would be “When I can afford to do it in at least as respectable a fashion as CoJ’s printing, or when some other publisher decides to underwrite production and marketing costs for a publisher’s cut of the proceeds.”

If I have any say in it, the next two books will be released simultaneously to prevent readers from burning me at the stake (in effigy or otherwise) at having to put up with a sharp cliff hanger–so to speak. :wink: Having read the book, you may recall the “sharp cliff” incident being foreshadowed by Portunista twice. Edge of Justice is about the sharp cliff, leading up to it and its immediate aftermath. Song of Justice is about what happens after the sharp cliff and resolving the problems of its immediate aftermath. Also, much butt-kicking of the unrighteous. :mrgreen:

And now, back to the regularly scheduled thread topic.

#15

Finished Bauckham’s book late last week; highly recommend it, especially since he comes close to being a universalist. His theological positions add up that way, and he occasionally realizes this–at which point he routinely ignores something important to his own contentions and takes a stand against universalism! :laughing:

I was wondering if it would happen in this book, too (Jesus and the God of Israel); and as I neared the end I thought he’d… but, no. He does it again. :angry:

I’ll save my kvetching about that for an article sometime, though.

Otherwise, I thought this was an entirely admirable expansion to his “God Crucified” monograph, collecting together and (kind of) synthesizing several subsequent articles of his on the topic.

Next up, another author who (from what I’ve seen) tends to be much like Bauckham, including in his schizophrenic approach to universalism (realizing the exegetical and theological evidence points that way but backing off at the last moment in some fashion self-contradictory to his own contentions elsewhere.)

The Resurrection of the Messiah by Christopher Bryan. (Which from his prologue appears to be a spiritual sequel, so to speak, to Raymond Brown’s series of The Birth… and The Death of the Messiah.)

Are there any EU bible commentaries?
#16

Jason, when you have time (lol), I’d appreciate your take on “Raising Hell”.

#17

Currently reading “Revelation,” Gordon Fee’s recent new commentary with a largely preterist take; “Naked Spirituality,” Brian McLaren.

#18

That’s interesting. I know Gordon Fee’s son, Mark. Definitely would not have marked him down as a preterist. I know Mark is not a universalist, and I’m betting Gordon isn’t either. I asked Mark to read Hope Beyond Hell the last time I saw him (which was several years ago, gave him a copy) and that I’d be interested in his thoughts on it. I never heard from him…

#19

My impression so far is that Fee sees Revelation’s apocalyptic symbols (with the exception of the final chapters) as referring to Rome’s oppression of the church in the century following its’ writing, and both the assurance of God’s ultimate victory for us and his destruction of the Roman Empire as it disinegrated in the early centuries; he thinks seeing an account of future events fancifully neglects the nature of apocalyptic and the setting that is originally addressed by John.

#20

Sounds interesting. I’ve been looking to pick up a Current Preterist take on Revelation. Is this guy a Universalist or no?

#21

I’m pretty sure Fee isn’t universalistic: he’s a high-profile Assembly of God pentacostal minister (as well as a major exegete and textual critic. I’ve been thinking of getting his Pauline Christianity for other reasons.)

Most preterists aren’t universalists, even though as our local preterists like to point out there are interesting logical connections between them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Fee

#22

Lot of Gospels stuff this summer:

Tom Wright’s *The Challenge of Jesus *and bits of his Jesus and the Victory of God.
Ben Witherington’s The Jesus Quest.
*The Historical Jesus: Five Views *by Beilby and Eddy.
Greg Boyd’s Cynic, Sage or Son of God?
Mark L. Strauss’s Four Portraits, One Jesus.
*The New Testament in Antiquity *by Burge, Cohick and Green.
Richard E. Creel’s Divine Impassibility: An Essay in Philosophical Theology.

Tom

#23

I adore Boyd’s Cynic Sage…? (Are you the guy who knows him personally?? One of our longtime members does, I always forget who… :blush: )

Sometimes I wish he would revise and update it; even though there are plenty of books on the market doing much the same thing nowadays, so I guess he feels like it wouldn’t be worth it. (Crossan, and especially Mack, have fallen off the public radar, too, although JDC does manage to keep plugging away with guest speaking roles on History and Discovery Channel episodes. :wink: )

Edited to add: it occurred to me that my grammar might be misleading above, to people unfamiliar with Boyd’s tome. Back around 1994 he wrote a book largely dedicated to tracing the history of sceptical anti-historical apologetics up through Crossan and Mack as two recent examples who were high-profile at the time; and then completely shredded their methodologies and results while making a contrasting case in favor of Jesus’ existence, personal claims, and resurrection.

He’s very fair and detailed about reporting what they and the Jesus Seminar more broadly were doing at the time; no less than 1/3 of the text (I estimate) could be picked up as-is and reprinted as a pro-JSem monograph. So when he nukes them, in meticulous detail, it’s far more satisfying. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

#24

Finished Stonehous(e) yesterday (sometimes his name is spelled with an ‘e’, sometimes not :wink: ). I wish I could get hold of the sequels, where he dialogues with other theologians of his day on that book (and maybe develops his position some more along the way.) A number of nifty things in a very long book from that time period (pushing 500 pages!)

Next up, The Universal Restoration by Winchester (1819 edition). I recall at least starting this book a couple of years ago, but I don’t recall if I got far in it. It’s presented as a set of fictional dialogues based on real-life conversations, somewhat in the vein of Justin Martyr’s "Dialogue with “Trypho”.

#25

Yeah, I’m the guy who knows Greg. He’s guite brilliant. His next book (about violence in the Old Test) should get folks talking! I think it’ll hit the market in the Spring. Not sure.

Tom

#26

I have just bought a copy of “Restoring the Honour of His Name” by Arthur Eedle.
lulu.com/product/paperback/r … e/16578283

Looking forward to reading it.

#27

I sit in Awe,

I agree with Jason that there are no indications that Fee is universalist, and my comments on his commentary’s preterism did not mean to imply otherwise. He does make clear that most of the judgments described in Revelation are not “ultimate,” but partial with the express purpose of bringing repentance, and I hope to comment on his take on the crucial final chapters after I study his variation further.

#28

… … [size=200]WAAAANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT!!![/size]

Can I reach through a wormhole and preorder yet?

#29

That is definitely interesting. I wouldn’t have imagined he’d even go that far.