The Evangelical Universalist Forum

What if you find out that EU isn't true, after all?

Just curious, I’d love to see people’s thoughts on this.

I fully trust both the justice and mercy of God, whatever it will be(we see through a glass darkly), but I must say- I am as certain(in my own being) that the word of God teaches universal reconciliation and the restoration of all things, as I am that the word teaches salvation through the cross of Jesus Christ. The same scriptures convince me of both.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Phillipians 2:10,11 …at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 11:36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

It ain’t happening…Who are you going to believe?

Imperfect people or a perfect God?

The bible says “God’s mercy is over all His works”.

People are God’s work.

God made Adam from the dust.

He is the potter and we are the clay.

So He has the final say on things not people.

People will most certainly doubt and try to put pressure on you.

But you have faith in God.

If God says He will do something then it is done!

God made the world so His power is mind boggling…

Any people disagreeing with God on this haven’t put in enough time reflecting on just how powerful and strong God and His will is.

Then we’ve paid the deity a compliment he doesn’t deserve. :mrgreen:

True! – if so. (Well put! :wink: )

Reality is whatever reality is; we either discover it correctly or incorrectly. I was a non-universalist for over 20 years, and wasn’t unhappy with it. I can go back to being one if necessary. I won’t like it, because anything less is less, but I’ll also recognize I have a duty to learn to like the truth whatever it is instead. And certainly my acceptance of it won’t be contingent on whether, at the moment, I like it better than alternatives or not.

The same is true for any question of ‘what if I find out that X-which-I-like isn’t true after all?’ I’ll deal with it – in fact I routinely deal with it on lesser questions than whether Christian universalism (or trintiarian Christianity) is true. That’s what mature people do.

I can’t take credit for it. C.S. Lewis, in a letter to Sheldon Vanauken (December 23, 1950) wrote:

:mrgreen:

Amen. Thats the beauty of reality. It is what it is. Manna is “what is it”. Today if you hear His voice. We are discovering “what it is” every day as we eat the manna from heaven- man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. He says, “I AM THAT I AM” and we must learn, through the wilderness of life, the lessons of futility, that we did not know as we thought we knew and there is more to see, always.

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.Heb 1:1-3

Thank God we have this assurance that Jesus is the revelation of God, the I AM as He is, for us and all, a savior. As our transformation occurs from mixture to purity, becoming “rooted and grounded in love” it is from “glory to glory”- so we can be assured, we are not traveling backwards if we remain humble and in fellowship with Him

And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us,to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all the generations of the age of the ages! (Eph 3:18-21)

Far above and beyond our ability to “figure it all out”- God is revealing it in Jesus Christ, as we like clay in the Potter’s hands are conformed to His image- not by what we know,tho our knowledge is very valuable- but by His fatherly intrusions into our lives to bring us “face to face” with Him.

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. (2 Cor 3)

I’m immature. That’s why I need the union with the Beautiful love of Christ. To be separated from my first love would be devastating. It has been in the past anyway. Without Christ I’m nothing. But if Christian Universalism wasn’t true I could go on.

You know the bible says no one in Christ’s hand can be snatched away from him in John 10:28 in the letters in red. All you have to do is believe him.

He also says if you love him you will obey his commandments and one of his commandments is you believe him.

Your actions show God whether you believed Him or not.