Lefein, the LOF in Rev 20:15 is an eternal separation from God and His presence and not the very presence of God. 2 Thess 1:8-9.
Rev 3:19 Jesus is talking to the church of Laodecia (who are believers). They are not impenitent unbelievers, Lefein. Nice try though. 
What’s remarkable Revival is that you totally ignored my post and only restated your opening point, and then go on to quote Heb. 10.29 which is not speaking of the punishment of unbelievers, but of believers who continue in deliberate sin, and Heb. 12:5-8 which says that such punishment is from God and for the good of the one being punished. So if anything, your scriptural references only affirm UR and disprove your assertion, even equating in context the word timoria with remedial punishment.
Heb. 10: 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb. 12: 4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,
“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
you can try to spin it, Sherman, but the truth remains. Hebrews 10:29 is referring to a Hebrew Christian renouncing Jesus as Messiah and going back under the law for salvation. Hebrews 6:4-6 says it is impossible to renew these people again unto repentance.
Heb 12:5-8 is for the believers not unbelievers and especially those who renounce Jesus!
Agree.
And Aristotle is a “pagan” philosopher…so i don’t know why he’s even mentioned at all.
Good link. 
I know, he’s notorious for doing it to us, yet he squawks and makes demands when he feels we’ve ignored his posts.
Revival,
In order to maintain your positions you:
Use a double standard
Evade and ignore responses altogether
Employ fallacious arguments. Some of your favorites:
Example:
X scripture must be understood from it’s context
The context of X scripture is Y
Therefore X scripture proves Y
I don’t know if you are aware that you do these things or not, although I find it hard to believe you don’t but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
At any rate, these four tactics you use are pointing to a huge vacancy sign.
Jesus says; “all that I love” I chasten. He is not making any exceptions, he is not saying “all that I love in the church of Laodecia”, and there is no mention in the context that says that the statement is directed exclusively at Laodecians.
It is more than a “nice try” Revival, it is an outright answer to your challenge and it is a thoroughly, perfectly valid one. All that Jesus loves, he rebukes and chastens.
Seriously, Lefein, arguing for the sake of arguing and ignoring context is not a wise thing to do. 
Rev 2-3 Jesus addresses 7 churches. Rev 3:14 "And unto the angel (pastor) of the church of the Laodiceans write: In context Lefein this means Jesus is adressing believers who make up the church of Laodicea. Verse 19 He is telling the church of Laodicea and the other 6 churches that he rebukes and chastens all he loves and telling them to repent of their ways. Similiar to what Heb 12:5-8 says.
Well its a darn good thing I’m not merely arguing for the sake of arguing and its a darned good thing I’m not ignoring the context. Yet again you scream “out of context!” to continue bolstering a patchwork theology bent on ensuring the torture and damnation of the vast multitudes, except yourself.
Oh! So you’re going to translate “angels” as pastors? I just thought I’d point out the irony there, of you telling us to appeal to this, and that, to ensure that our understanding is plain-text in this or that, and then you turn around and call the angels of the seven churches pastors. Don’t tell us to stick to context, or stick to anything if you’re going to turn around and play the game yourself. That is hypocrisy.
And secondly, Jesus said “all that I love” and that means “all that I love”, there is no special appeal to context here that necessitates that Jesus is talking exclusively about or to the Laodecians. When he tells the Laodecians that he rebukes and chastens all that he loves, that is everyone, absolutely thoroughly everyone including the Laodecians.
Your challenge has been answered. And your only response is the scream, as per usual, “out of context!”.
And also, as Allan has asked you, drop the emotes and winks. I have grown weary of them, and I have certainly grown weary of your vast multitudes of other condescending behaviours towards me and towards others on this site.
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb
Now you cant get any plainer and clearer then that.
As for 2 Thess 1:8-9. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
This isn’t saying that there is eternal separation from the Lord, its saying that they will be tormented from the presence of the Lord. Its like saying… my eyes hurt from the presence of the bright summer sun. Does that mean i am away from the sun? No. It means i am in the presence of the summer sun that my eyes are hurting from. The sun is causing that hurt because i am in the presence of it. Not away from it. Therefore making Rev 14:10 correct. Otherwise they would contradict.
Rev 14:10 happens after the day of the Lord, Caroleem. In other words, after the tribulation, after the rapture and before the millennial reign. This is not the LOF nor is it hell.
I’m ending this convo, God bless. 
As needs must…
It seems to me, that with you, everything is “anything but” if it isn’t doesn’t imply the ceaseless, endless, increasingly God forsaken vindictively inflicted violence and torture of the vast multitudes.
Of course its the LOF. All of the references of fire and brimstone in Rev is referring to the LOF which is the presence of God.
Revelation 19:20, “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
Rev. 20:10, “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Rev. 20:14-15, “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Rev. 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Rev. 2:11, “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.”
Rev. 20:6, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”
Rev. 14:10, “…and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.”
All the LOF.
What do you suggest it is then? Its obviously the LOF.
Caroleem,
Rev 14:10 is not the lake of fire. It is the wrath of God happening on earth during all the plagues, bowls, etc before the millennial reign.
Of course I’m speaking for myself. I have no special line to God. Do you? All I can do is try to discern his Spirit.
The author tells his readers their sins are forgiven, they can have confidence, they have a faithful priest, they can draw near to God. He tells them to do good deeds and spur one another on, to meet regularly. In Paul’s terminology, he exhorts them to crucify the old man and put on the new. But what of Christians who continue to sin deliberately? If those who disobeyed Moses were killed without mercy, how much more severely will Christians who desecrate the blood of Christ be punished. Punished without mercy.
I regret to say I continue to sin deliberately. Don’t you? To pretend otherwise would be a (deliberate) lie. Yet there is also something in me that is deeply unhappy with this situation. “The good I want to do, I don’t do…O wretched man that I am.” Does that mean I have nothing to look forward to but God’s wrath? Yes and no. The old man will be punished (timoria) without mercy and utterly destroyed. The new man will be saved and set free, as through the fire. “Who shall deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
The sinner, that which is sinful in me, will be utterly destroyed. It will be painful. We are called to follow Christ, and he was nailed to a cross. It is truly a fearful thing to fall into God’s hands, but where else would you want to be? His hands are there to catch you, to hold you, to scrub you clean, to heal you and to embrace you.
Its all the same thing. It’s ALL the LOF via the presence of the Lord whether it is before or after the millennial reign. Do you really think the Lord at His coming will be in the air throwing down literal fire and brimstone (sulfer)? Do you really think He would need to? His presence would be stronger then ANY physical fire and brimstone could ever provide. It will be like Dracula when he sees daylight. The presence of the Lord will be unbearable to those who worshiped the beast. The presence of the Lord will be unbearable for anyone who is still in sin. It will be tormenting to them. The LOF is not a literal lake of fire like a volcano or anything. It is when sinful people are faced with the presence of the Lord does it become the dreaded LOF. Once again, it is NOT literal fire.
Rev 14:10-The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Its not all the same thing, Caroleem. People don’t experience the LOF until final individual judgment in Rev 20:10-15. This is the second death or eternal death!
The death of that which is sinful in a man, the death of that in the man which is apart from God! It is not the death of the thing that God created “and it was good”. God will not destroy the silver in destroying the dross. God will not waste the grain in burning away its chaff.
Boy aren’t we going to have a rude awakening at the judgment seat.
I want you to elaborate on that. Tell me exactly what you mean. Bare forth your thoughts and get rid of the veiling.