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A Saved Blasphemer!

Hi Tanisha,

I’m glad this thread has blessed you. Our hope and faith is in God who is love and love forgives. I don’t know why, but I suspect that the significant people in your life are not very forgiving. I’m thankful to have had parents that love me and walk in forgiveness and grace. Whenever there has been a rift in our relationship, their goal is reconciliation because they love be because I am their son and nothing can change that. In like manner, we are God’s children, His sons and daughters and His desire is reconciliation, us being reunited with Him and one another.

Btw, it’s not the “past” that God is concerned with, it’s the “present”. We cann’t do anything about the past except recieve forgiveness in the present for our failures of the past, and recieve the grace to change and do better. Worrying over what we’ve done in the past only robs the present of love and joy.

So I encourage you to live in the love and grace of God in the present, learn from your past, and trust God with the future. God loves you and I more than we can even imagine!

Blessings,
Sherman

And Jason, thanks for tagging me; it would likely have missed it.

Thanks Sherman for the response. Also thank you Jason. I never forgave and was unloving prideful hard harded head strong. I grew up in church and studied scripture and thought I knew everything. I was also like you Mr Sherman judging mainly leaders but never really knew if i was saved but claimed Christ as Savior and he didnt have my heart in love or obedience. I preach and encourage others but never did it myself. Pure hyprocrite

I just want to be saved the last God told me is that proverbs 14:12. I am really weak physically and my mind and heart feel like its not there. If I am reprobate , unprofitable and a blasphemer, all I can do is daily ask God to help me. If he doesnt heal me and give me grace I will die without knowing him. My emotions and feelings are gone. I just thank God I am alive but inwardly I am bones no spirit. I could explain the depth of what I feel , it doesnt really matter . I just want the chance to know Jesus . I know that I am not saved if i was i would not be dead inside. Its like that spark inside me just died and I beg and cry but it seems like its not there . What i studied on the scripture God gave me is unbelief, intellect and blamsphey and pride . My hope is only Christ coming to literally resurrect me.

I just want to say thank you all .

Thanks Jason and Sherman.

I just want to say thank you Jason and Sherman :stuck_out_tongue: @Jason @ Sherman @Stellar

I really dont know what to say . I believe this blog that you all have written who would lie about deliverance.I just want to know is there hope for me .I was told proverb 14:12 . I know for sure God has taken his presence away from me . Like i said before when I begin to study the scripture or worship it all gone. (its very sad) . They say that this person hasnt truly been converted . I have lost strength and its like God still wont receive me. People say that it means I am reprobate,on the road to death which truly feels like it . I know I truly didnt trust in Christ alone. It was my works my high mind and my wisdom and reading a lot of books and bible that set me on the broad road. I am nothing and kindve worthless!! This has happen over a period of 4 months. and I know that I have been destroyed . I know that God hates pride and I have been wicked. I dont know what else to say .Its like I can barely talk . Its been like this for 3 months . I have cried to God and its like a wall is there . I still worship and pray but theres not spirit or presence. I believe my days are numbered ( I dont want to die) I want to live though. God rebuked me with these sayings- I am a worker of inquity, Brood of Vipers, and he told me “I am going the way that seems right to man” I, I honor him with my lips but my heart is far from him. This is how i knew i was legalistic. I also knew God called me to do things in the earth and I always ran the opposite direction if things were not my way or if i got hurt. When I begin to fall and the Lord rebuked me , all i could really say is I was a counterfit Christian and I didnt know Christ because I didnt love anyone but myself. I look back at all the people I hurt . I know God is Lord now but is it to late ?I cant sleep at night my heart feels like its going on diffrent paces . My face hurts , my legs get heavy and I shake in my hands and concentration is gone. I do the normal things like eating or talking and its all so empty to me . My family wanted me to get on medicine or check into a mental hospital. I knew it was spiritual and that I relied again on my own wisdom. I beg God and I walk and just ask him for another chance. I dont have emotions anymore . I also dont feel anything . I already know if God doesnt return to me this is it. I I didnt realize how damned I was. I moved to many times without out the wisdom of God. I have gone to prayer meeting and I still attend church . There have been prayers and the laying on of hands on me . Still nothing . I go to sleep scared because I dont know anything . I dont know what to say to God anymore and scripture reading doesnt do anything . When God first warn me I felt so condememd and kept asking him did he love me still even being a brood of vipers. I confessed romans 10:9-10 but nothing changed and I gave my life to him Easter Sunday again and It seems like all got worse. I can only lay around , so I cant stay with anyone because they dont understand that I really cant move and sometimes I get weak and my breathing is a little odd. I dont know what to say anymore . I gave up one time and told my X husband to come get my son Joshua because I couldnt take it anymore. I hear the word and songs buts its like it cant get in. I believe I have been blinded spiritually for not obeying and believing the truth. I understand that I was in rebellion . Everyone says repent . I know now through reading this blog - Faith , Repentance the Holy Spirit will only be given by God. Mainly forgiviness and right fellowship come from God himself. I know I have crucified him a fresh and I know we arent suppose to do that . A part a me say just sit and wait and wither away but I know Hell is real and I know that I want to live and serve God now . I thought i love God but i didnt . I love myself and I am prideful and unloving. I dont want to die in my sins as Jesus said if I dont believe in him. I cant do anything I am not going to lie I know I destroyed a lot of the purpose of God by not trusting God in the process. Now I just want to be saved and not miss heaven . I just fell so hard and Its like I cant get up. They say its intellect that rebells against God . I am bound in my sin and inquity . I know you all cant help only Jesus can. I honestly dont feel the same way about Christ as I should. The thing is I didnt know the real Christ that why I was so zealous about him and now I feel like he isnt going to come back. He warned me but I dont know what to say when you get rebukes like that . Everyone says oh God wouldnt say that to you or its in your head. Well why am I withering away and the joy I had gone. I feel like my heart is gone and my mind is cloudy. I cant remember and I believe its judgment. Will he give me an invitation again since I rejected the true way of salvation and didnt believe and became a proverbs 14:12 girl .My days are meaningless. What would you all say since God delivered you all. Its like I dont know what to say . He also told me I didnt come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. I didnt know I was like that until he rebuked me and this I tried harder which made it worse and now I am worse. I know you cant give me what I am looking for but I am desperate and I was happy I found the blog. I know this is a lot but all I can do is reach out . I dont know Gods true love and I know I didnt know the Christ of the bible that I thought I love! Thanks for reading Tanisha

Hi Tanisha,

I wish you lived close enough so that you could just come hang out with me and my family. It sounds like you just need a lot of hugs, a family to love you for just being you. I don’t know if I’ve shared in this thread or not, but I experienced judgment a few times and it was devistating. One day I was reading the 7 Woes in Matthew 23 and the Lord spoke to me saying, “That’s the way you are.” It devestated me, but in that I also heard his love for me. He loved me enough to tell me the truth so that I could repent. It certainly sounds like you’ve repented of pride and self-righteousness, so no worries, forgiveness is yours. In fact, to not recieve forgiveness is to continue to walk in pride, as if you are too big of a sinner to be forgiven by God, which is hog-wash. Chill out and trust in the goodness of God. See it’s not how big of a sinner you or I are, but it’s how good and merciful God is!

And btw, there is no worries concerning you getting into heaven some day, such is an accomplished fact. Jesus died for you, he redeemed you and is reconciling all of creation to God of which you are part. Your little prideful attitude is not that big of a deal, really; it’s lie a grain of sand. God’s grace and mercy is much greater, being like the Pacific ocean! So chill and just receive in faith His love and forgiveness. He loves you and there is nothing that can ultimately separate you from him!

On the practical side, I encourage you to stop thinking about yourself so much and instead invest your time worshipping God whether you feel like it or not. I enjoy singing in worship. Go for a walk and sing and worship God as you walk, and give thanks to God for such an awesome creation. And go to church and worship God, a church where you can feel the people loving God AND loving one another.

Also, try to find either a ministry or some way to help those less fortunate than yourself. Maybe just go buy and pass out water at the park. I don’t know, just do something to bless others. Call your family members and tell them you love them, don’t talk about yourself at all, but keep the conversation focused on them. And don’t give them any advice, just share with them how much you love them. These are just some ideas of the top of my head.

It’s my prayer that you’ll know how much you are loved by God and others, my sister.
Blessings,
Sherman

Tanisha,

There is a spiritual condition with a Latin name I can’t recall right now (similar to “acid” I think) which is also called, or related to, “scrupleousity”. (Both are also related to acute or chronic depression, and either may lead to the other.) We have had a number of people here who suffer from it, and your descriptions line up with it.

I say this because this spiritual affliction is not a sign you are not being saved from your sins, and not even that you are not in good standing with God despite how you feel. It’s the spiritual equivalent of a migraine, or it can be an attack from devils (Luthor called it being mugged by Satan!)

That isn’t going to help how you feel of course – if this is the problem. But those of us who suffer chronic depression, for various reasons (not all of them the same reason), often learn that the pain is easier to bear when we can understand it isn’t from several sorts of problems.

But it still hurts, and it is literally a physical pain, too: the same parts of our brains that suffer physical pain light up, and it can leave quite physical ‘scars’ (so to speak, not actually scars, but similar) in our neural paths.

It is also possible this is being inflicted on you by God (or through His authorization anyway if not directly), for being an unforgiving person of the sort you’ve been saying you were – and maybe still are.

I’m not going to say you should forgive yourself: I seriously doubt that’s anyone’s duty, and I know sometimes it’s hard to accept forgiveness, too (even though that is a duty). I would forgive you, if that would help, but you haven’t sinned against me, and I’m certainly not God to provide forgiveness for sins against other people.

But those of us who have been seriously unforgiving in our hearts, have often also gone through what you’re talking about; and we made it out okay on the other side, even though it felt at the time like we wouldn’t. I think God sometimes teaches us not to behave certain ways by inflicting on us the results of what we would inflict on other people, and that’s true for insisting on unforgiveness on other people, too. The scriptures talk about this on occasion.

So, my questions and/or recommendations:

1.) Are you accepting and cooperating with the pain? I don’t mean in the sense of hurting yourself – you shouldn’t do that – but in pouring the pain on your sins, spiritually. I can’t quite tell if you’re doing that or not, but if you aren’t then you should. Many people, myself included, are often helped by this exercise.

2.) Are you still holding unforgiveness in your heart against someone else? If they themselves haven’t repented yet, then such a forgiveness will necessarily be incomplete, but God expects and teaches us to prepare for their reconciliation. I get the impression you’re still suffering from this, though I hope I’m wrong. Even small steps in that direction, if so, can help. (So can pouring the pain on your sin, and the next thing, goo.)

3.) One of the problems of pain is that, even when medicinal, it tends to focus us on ourselves. That’s hard to avoid, under the circumstances! But like Sherman, I recommend you find something to do to help other people (or if somehow you can’t find other people to help, then help some animals; or if that’s somehow impossible, find people to pray for!) It may feel like you have no strength to give to that, but you may also find that putting what little strength you do have toward it will open up more strength.

Also, without getting into a critique of Calvinism and/or Arminianism: Calv logic of reprobation and election does not mean that those who fall away are necessarily of the non-elect, only that God has not yet led them to be true Christians. Personally I am not sure that Calvinist logic actually involves the persistence of the elect as Christians; what it does certainly involve, is the victorious and competent persistence of God in saving those He intends to save from their sins. (Which Arminians would say, includes all sinners! Universalists, such as ourselves, agree on both the scope and the persistence.)

But that is beside the point: what’s more important is that, if the Holy Spirit was not already leading you to do so, you would not be capable of any intention to be saved from your sins. So while other people might suppose you’re only faking about that, if you can see that that’s a legitimately true concern in your heart, then you can be sure the Spirit is operating in you with an eye toward your salvation from sin. Consequently, God will not give up on you. :slight_smile: At worst, He’s burning up the straw and stubble you’ve built on Christ, the only foundation anyone can build anything on.

In fact, even if your pain is caused by other things, not by the specific intention of God (directly or indirectly brought into effect), God can and will still use your pain for that purpose.

And last of all, though perhaps I should say it is first of all: so far as you can, try to remember that God Himself voluntarily suffers with you, sharing the burden of your pain, which we see happening historically at one particular time and place on the cross, but which happens across all space and time. He suffers with the innocent victims of natural accident and unjust infliction; and He suffers with those whom He is punishing for their injustice, being reckoned with transgressors. Whatever your situation actually is, one or the other or some combination of both, look to Christ on the cross, bleeding with you, physically and spiritually.

God bring you peace and strength, and patience (in case the peace and strength come later rather than sooner).

Thank Jason

I have been meaning to reply. Not too much to say. Just recognize my sin of unbelief. How can I cross the bridge back to God and I ran myself to hell with sin and God knows all the other wicked things I have done

I read something today. It said that unbelief cuts us off from the mercy of God. I don’t know. I understand now a little better Proverbs 14:12 based upon unbelief which intellect. Wow have I done and been wicked still am until he comes

I do agree with you. I will continue to pray that God will grant me mercy and his will be done. I believe that I am lost and in need of his amazing grace. Did I reject his mercy because I didn’t believe he forgave me of my sin? I believe I did. Like Sherman said. My pride said I was too big of a sinner. I thought he was still angry with me over the past then one day all I had was gone. Now I recognize why all is happening. I read also that even with me knowing I don’t know him now and feeling so separated from him is mercy because he hasn’t given me over to death and hell.

WOW- Still mercy. Still scary

How can I think about something or someone else? I don’t have anything to give and I feel like I am out of the will and have shattered the purpose of God. It’s a feeling of despair and hopelessness without him. You want to die from the emptiness, but I am smart enough to know that I am not ready and I better keep asking him to grant me repentance.

My soul and feelings are gone. I am just running looking for life in him again. I stay with different family member and I know this reminds of the scripture of the apostates. “ Always learning and never able to come into the knowledge (knowing Christ. I ask why me and why did all do so much evil. Now I know why I am a brood of vipers and now I see how I really blasphemed through my attitude towards his sacrifice. I am evil for thinking I was better than someone and that it wasn’t Gods grace that kept me. Straight rebellion!! I just hope God will speak and wrap his arms around me and again. I

I may be holding unforgivneess not on purpose. I don’t know what’s in my heart anymore. I just know that’s what I dealt with so if he didn’t deliver me it’s not gone. I may still have pride, lack of love and unbelief. I labored in vain not building on Christ and believe I will continue to be worthless unless he reaches down and grabs me. Every one says that he already has done everything. I believe that but I am in need of him coming to see me. I can’t get out of hell unless he grabs me. I regret all I have done. My friend told me that it could be religious reprobation because I didn’t really trust Christ and that if I am doomed I am doomed but just lives life. How cans one?
I realize I am selfish but the only one that gives new hearts and true mercy and forgiveness is God.

I don’t believe I am cooperating with the pain. I am trying to find the answer and running around. What do I do just sit in my car and wait until I meet him? Which I know I can’t stand in front of God this way. I know that I still have flesh and crazy thoughts.

Am I still unforgiving and unloving and a mess unless he saves me. I would say yes because I do believe he would give a true change. Everyone says its in your mind it you. I just know that its spiritual and I may have spiritually died because I my wickedness. They say its me. I can’t change me and I can’t make my mind new and make me new. If I am a brood of vipers – Only God can reach down and save me. Why didn’t I just listen? I wish I could cry but I cant anymore I am lost without him.

Will Christ give me a chance to change? Maybe its because I was never patient.

2 Timothy 2:25

Thanks Jason so much for responding .

Tanisha,

Even doing a little good for other people is a start; even recognizing you ought to even if you feel like you don’t have the strength to yet, is a start. God doesn’t care how few coins of goodness you have to give. And it won’t be about trying to earn God’s forgiveness or salvation either, but about doing good because it’s the right thing to do.

In regard to trampling underfoot the sacrifice on the cross after tasting the good things of the Holy Spirit – well, yes, that sets people up for falling into the hands of the living God, which is a terrifying thing, but He vindicates His rebel people by leading them to repent through the punishment that follows. That’s the whole point of the place in Deuteronomy being quoted by the Hebraist there (but a point usually ignored or discounted by commenters).

So if you’ve actually done that, the punishment is meant to lead you to stop doing that. Which you seem well on the way to doing, so I hope you’ll be consoled eventually that your pain is serving its purpose.

Remember what I said at the end, which I emphasized as being even the first thing: try to remember that God Himself voluntarily suffers with you, sharing the burden of your pain, which we see happening historically at one particular time and place on the cross, but which happens across all space and time. He suffers with the innocent victims of natural accident and unjust infliction; and He suffers with those whom He is punishing for their injustice, being reckoned with transgressors. Whatever your situation actually is, one or the other or some combination of both, look to Christ on the cross, bleeding with you, physically and spiritually.

If you do that, you won’t be trampling underfoot the sacrifice on the cross, but cooperating with it (again or for the first time perhaps). And you won’t have to build a bridge back to God, which is unnecessary (as well as technically impossible anyway): the cross is still there as the bridge God made for you.

If your spirit had died, you’d be annihilated out of existence, and so not talking to us now. Nor would you be reaching out even to stop the pain – there wouldn’t be a ‘you’ anymore to do that. Evil things make use of whatever they can, and several Biblical writers (like David) felt much the same as you sometimes, being tempted sorely to despair that God had permanently abandoned them – when He hasn’t even permanently abandoned the demons! It took a while for David to understand that part of his problem was that he still insisted on his adversaries being punished the way that he didn’t want to be punished; and until he realized he was being self-refuting in hoping for salvation for himself, but not for those other people over there, he didn’t get past the crushing spiritual punishment making his heart contrite – he would keep repenting for what he had done to his friend and trusting ally Uriah, but his lack of mercy for his enemies kept interfering with his repentance. (This is unfortunately obscured by his psalms not being collected in a topical order, which also unfortunately leads people to infer that God wants us to be horribly and finally unmerciful to our enemies – because David, the man after God’s own heart, was that way, and inspired by God to be that way and to teach us to be that way, right?! :unamused: )

But that may be too much to work on or to deal with right now; and if so, try not to worry about it. First, focus on the spiritual baptism God is trying to give you through the cross; then on using whatever little you have (and you do have some ability because you’re still a rational agent who can contribute to his-story) to help other people. Both those things mean cooperating with God’s sacrifice on the cross instead of trampling on it.

If you were catholic, or high protestant, I would recommend asking a priest to help you spend some time in contemplation and adoration of the Real Presence. I might recommend that anyway, if you have the opportunity! But if you can’t believe in that, you can still contemplate the self-sacrifice of God for you, and for everyone (including your worst enemies), on the cross. Remember, if you have thought His sacrifice didn’t apply to these people over there, or would fail for those people over there, you’ve been trampling underfoot the sacrifice – as have (sadly) very, very many Christians throughout all our history. To teach you better, God may be allowing (or even directly inflicting) what it feels like if that could be true.

So even if you feel blocked at the moment from that sacrifice applying to you (though to insist that it doesn’t or that it failed, is to keep trampling the sacrifice underfoot!), at least try to focus on what God has done for other people on the cross. That may very well be the lesson, and the road back, that God intends for you: you can’t go back without them, without accepting what He does for them.

If you aren’t adverse to considering help from a Roman Catholic saint (indirectly if not directly), I do recommend you look into the Divine Mercy journal of St. Faustina. I think you’ll find a lot there that you can relate to. (Mother Teresa also felt much of what you’ve been feeling.) I’ve attached a copy of her diary (made freely available by the nuns from her chapter). You don’t have to do this of course, but I sense it may be of help to you. But if it’s not helpful, then of course you should promptly drop it (as my teacher Lewis used to say in regard to his own work).

And don’t neglect to look into medical reasons for your pain, and search for treatments along that line.

Hugs to you, and God’s strength and peace someday.
St. Faustina-Divine Mercy in my Soul.pdf (1.55 MB)

If I have comitted the sin of death and my departure is soon , what would you do.?
I see God is displeased with me . I am in pain . I already know I havd the sin of unbelief . I didn’t believe and trust the love of God . I just didn’t trust him to forgive me.I have a son that’s all I have and he is 4. I really don’t have much to say . No matter what I do I can’t give or get back my salvation . " I relied upon intellect rather than repentancei . I know the wages of sin is death. I do feel hopeless . they say the sin of death feels this way . I do hurt and I am just existing . I will burn in the lake of fire becAuse. I don’t know Jesus. No I don’t want that but what can you do unless God comes to the rescue

No one can one unless the father draws .

I have been evil and religious and was in unbelief .

What would you do ?
What should I tell my son ?

Mr Sherman

I am very close to your area . I would love to hear your testimonies I’m person if you have time . Thanks Tanisha

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