The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Beyond Easter? Or is Jesus finished?

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Beyond Easter?
Was the resurrection the end of Christ’s work? A number of people seem to believe that is was; that he was sent for, and His work accomplished for, the Jews; that “in some way” the work benefitted the rest of the world as well; that now, He is not active or a force in the world; that because of what he did in the past, the world has been ‘set to rights’.
But that can’t be right, right? 40 days after Easter, He ascended. (I am assuming the outrageous idea that we are not following cunningly devised fables; that gospel writers were not lying to us, but were honorable men; that eyewitness accounts were actually that.)
We do have, in God’s revelation to us, the teachings of what the ascension means now.

A bit from Jeff Robinson, who says it better than I can:
“When we speak of the finished work of Christ on the cross, typically we focus on his substitutionary atonement and resurrection from the dead. Indeed, these works are at the heart of the work of redemption. But what about the event that occurred 40 days after Jesus came out of the tomb—the ascension? How important is this doctrine for our salvation? Does it have practical implications? Do we give it short shrift when it comes to fully (understanding)…the work of Christ?”
In Encounters with Jesus: Unexpected Answers to Life’s Biggest Questions (Dutton), Tim Keller argues forcefully that the ascension is a crucial, if often overlooked, aspect of the work of Christ. “Actually, it makes an enormous difference,” Keller writes. “The ascension, when understood, becomes an irreplaceable, important resource for living our lives in the world—and it’s a resource no other religion or philosophy of life holds out to us.”
First, Jesus …was going to take his place as the new king and head of the human race. Keller explains:
"Now, if Jesus merely wanted to return to the Father, he could have just vanished. There were other times when he vanished immediately out of sight, as with the disciples on the road to Emmaus. But instead, at the ascension Jesus literally rises up into the clouds and disappears into the distance of the heavens. Why did he do it that way? We can only speculate, but it may have been for the same reason that we have a coronation ceremony.
Second, in the ascension Jesus left the limitations of the time-space continuum and passed into the presence of the Father. In his incarnation, Jesus was limited to one spot at one moment. If you wanted to speak with him or relate to him, you had to do it at that place. “But at the ascension,” Keller writes, “Jesus leaves the space-time continuum and passes into the presence of the Father. He is still human, still our second Adam . . . and still our Advocate—yet now he has been so glorified that everything he does has a cosmic scope . . . any time-space limitation passes away.”
Further, thanks to the ascension, Jesus is now engaged in his mediatorial work for his people across the globe.
Thus, the ascension is a critically important doctrine, one that is not a mere abstract teaching, one that has important implications for how we live.
The ascended Christ is available for loving communication and fellowship. He is supremely personal.
The ascended Christ is supremely powerful. As the ascended king, he is sovereign over every part of the created order. Keller argues: “He controls all things for the church, and therefore you can face the world with peace in your heart . . . he’s at the right hand of God as the executive director of history, directing everything for the benefit of the church. If you belong to him, then everything that happens ultimately happens for you.”
The ascended Christ guarantees that you can know you are forgiven, accepted, and delighted in by God the Father. He is our advocate who intercedes constantly for us.
As the great creed has reminded Christians across the ages, “He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God, the Father almighty, from where he will return to judge the living and the dead.” Jesus went up and back into heaven, but will one day return as our conquering king.
This is the reality of which he spoke when he addressed the bewildered disciples in John 14, “And if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.” Thus, the Christian’s great and blessed hope, the hope of the resurrection of the dead and eternal life in the new Jerusalem, is intimately tied to Christ’s first going up. Calvin, in his Institutes, summarized the good news of the ascension in his customarily pithy style:
The Lord, by his ascension into heaven, has opened up the access to the heavenly kingdom, which Adam had shut. For having entered it in our flesh, as it were in our name, it follows . . . that we are in a manner seated in heavenly places, not entertaining a mere hope of heaven, but possessing it in our [covenantal] head. "
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. Jesus is the one who pours out the Holy Spirit - on believers. Which he has done every day for the last 2K years or so, and is doing today as well.

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Dave, This makes it sound like God never existed before Jesus came into being, and that Jesus replaced God as the sovereign King over the created order.

The way I see it, Jesus was a man of God, and those who live in the same Spirit continue His work. For example, Danny Thomas established St. Jude’s in the Spirit of God. When he died, Marlo took over and continued on. This doesn’t mean that after his death, Danny suddenly became God and is now directing all of history.

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#3

You are arguing with scripture, not with me. :slightly_smiling_face:

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#4

No. I am arguing with the interpretation of scripture. “God is not human.”, nor does man become God. However, humans can be " in the likeness of God."

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#5

I have added a footnote here: Do you believe the Bible is infallible? If so, why?

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#6

HF, Thanks. I was reading the link you provided on Theosis and I noticed a change in the some of the scriptural quotations. The word god with a little “g” became God with a capital “G”. There is a big difference between the two. The word god means a ruler, leader, teacher, etc. not God. Jesus was a great spiritual teacher, an example for us to follow, as was Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc.

People were able to communicate and have been communicating with God since the beginning of creation. The Old Testament says that Abraham was a friend of God. His change in name from Abram to Abraham also indicates a change in his person. Likewise, Jesus was transformed on the Mount and became “like Moses and Elijah” who were “like God” but not God.

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#7

Here is what Paul says, as explained by Tom Wright. This is what I wanted to emphasize above - Christ’s work is ongoing in every century since His ascension. His involvement in the world is continuing and real. Objectively, not ‘spiritually’ or as a ‘matter of faith’. I realize that the whole ‘objective reality’ thing is hard for some.
From http://ntwrightpage.com/files/2019/04/Wright_2018_EC_Hopedeferred_37-1.pdf

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Just to continue Wright:
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#9

Dave, to me, the word Christ means God’s anointed or people who are " born of the Spirit". It does not refer to just one person. So Christ’s work has been ongoing from the beginning of creation.There are times when the kingdom of God doesn’t have that many participants, times when they are scattered and times when they are gathered. However, from the foundation of the world, such people have always existed.

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