Sorry to give more of his videos but he’s way more versed in biblical history than me. Is really worth a watch IMO. @qaz the second video goes into your question.
It looks like he uses similar arguments, that Islamic scholars “claim” Jews and Christians - corrupted their scriptures. Implying the Muslims, are the ONLY ones - immune from corruption claims.
@mik
Hi mik.
Never mind the title of the video below, if you’re interested in learning more about the relationship between various OT manuscripts this video is very useful. I promise it will be worth your while. (You could start 4mins in if you are desperately short of time.
Tell me what you think.
Unbelievable! The Masoretic text was not even completed until the ninth century A.D.! Whereas the first 5 OT books were translated by the translators of the Greek Septuagint in third century B.C. and the remaining books of the OT in the second century B.C.
Furthermore the Septuagint translation agrees perfectly with the Hebrew from Cave 4 of the
Qumran caves, whereas the Masoretic text differs in many places.
The apostles of Jesus when quoting from the Hebrew writings in what is called “The New Testament” may have quoted from the Septuagint. But what, in my opinion, is more likely is that they quoted from the Hebrew texts that they possessed—texts which would have been similar to or identical with those found in Cave 4 at the Qumran caves site.
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@Paidion If you watch the second video I linked in my second last post, I think you will find a good answer.
Ahhh Steve, there is no satan… Our deception is within our own imagination. The grudges you hold are yours and your own. Own it brother.
It’s good to hear from an expert like Chad. Now all the Exorcists will go to the unemployment office.
But people still blame him, like this lady: 
Problem is you have to come down on one view or the other…
Look you are all open to your opinions, but here are some facts…
True. Just don’t accept his challenge, to a fiddle contest - unless you are the best!
Is our “deception” within our own imagination? Or did Jesus’ disciple Matthew “deceive” us?
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” But he answered, "It is written, “’Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” (Matthew 4:1-4)
Me thinks, Sir, that the devil has deceived you into denying his existence.
And me thinks Don, that you are among the antiquated brethren that somehow will constantly look for an excuse for mans inability to realize we have been given the free will to direct our future. No satan BS, it is us brother.
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This lists some items where Jesus could be seen as changing O.T. outlooks:
JESUS’ PROVOCATIONS in the eyes of Those Most Devoted to God’s Word!
Jesus says prostitutes rate ahead of those most committed to the righteous religion of God Himself! He abusively calls God’s chosen: blind sons of the devil, snakes, yeast, and those headed for hell (Jn. 8:44; Mt. 21:31,43; 23:1-39; 12:34; 16:6; Lk. 11:39-52; 12:1,10; 18:9-14; 20:46f). He says we teach rules taught by men (Isa. 29:13), but He regularly attacks the Bible’s own terms for Israel’s covenant with God. Such blasphemy fosters divisive disorder that threatens a safe relationship with the government. Thus he must be rejected and eliminated (Lk. 12:51; 23:1-5,14; Mk. 10:34-36)!
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The Bible clearly requires us to avoid foods (or unwashed hands and bodies) that make us unclean.
(Lev. 11, esp. 47; 20:25; Dt. 14:3-21; Gen.7:2; 2 Chr. 30:17f; on washing: Lev. 7:21; 14:8f, 15:7f, 13; 17:15f; 22:4-6)
But Jesus tells people nothing outside them can make them unclean, plainly urging them to treat it all as clean. (Mark 7:1-23, esp. 18,19; Mt. 15:1-20; cf. Lk. 11:38-45; Jn. 3:25; cf. Acts 10:15) -
The Bible demands that we not touch those who are “unclean” (diseased, deformed, dead, an issue of blood, eunuchs, or sinful), and offer cleansing sacrifices if we do.
(Num. 5:1f; Lev. 5:2,3,6; 10:10; 12-15 esp 13:45f; 21:16-21; Deut. 23:1; Cf. Acts 8:38; Isa. 56:3-5)
Again, Jesus freely violates such requirements. Following him as our example will encourage people to be reckless with God’s Law. (Luke 5:13; 7:14; 8:53f: 14:13) -
God Law warns us not to embrace uncircumcised foreigners, and to separate from sinners. (Deut 23:2-6; Ex. 12:43,48; Ezek. 44:7; Jer. 51:6,45; Isa. 52:11; Neh. 9:2; 10:28)
Jesus says God’s prophets reached out to foreigners, and he welcomes both pagans (Gentiles) and sinners with no marks of righteousness. He ignores God’s call for holy separation from sinners. (Lk. 4:25-29; 5:27-32; 7:9,34,39; 13:29; 15:1-2; 17:18; Mt. 15:21-28; 25:32-40; Jn. 4:1-26,39f; Acts 10:28) -
The Bible regularly commands us to swear with an honest oath.
(Deut. 5:11; 10:20; 23:21,23; Num. 30:2-4; Lev. 19:12; Ecc. 5:4)
Jesus puts himself above Scripture, telling us to never swear an oath. (Mt. 5:33-37; cf. 23:16-22; Jas. 5:12) -
The Bible repeatedly requires that no work be done on the Sabbath. Saturday is to honor God, who executes those who take care of a need on the Sabbath!
(Deut. 5:12-15; Ex. 20:8-11; 16:23-30; 23:12; 31:12-17; 34:21; 35:2f; Num. 15:32-36; Isa. 56:2; 58:13)
But Jesus claims authority to assert that the Sabbath is made for man, and repeatedly encourages people to use it for tasks that plainly could wait. He endangers Israel!
(Mt. 12:1-14; cf. Lev. 24:9, 1 Sam. 21:1-6, Is. 58:6f; Lk. 6:1-11; 13:10-17; 14:1-6; Jn. 5:10f,16-18; 7:23f; 9:16) -
Moses provided for accepting divorce if a displeasing wife does something indecent. (Deut. 24:1-4) But Jesus argues that this was not God’s original plan and urges that we not follow this Law of Moses!
(Luke 16:18; Mk. 10:2-12; Mt. 5:31f, 19:1-12; cf. Mal. 2:16; Gen. 1:27; 2:24; 5:2)
(Scripture allows for polygamy too, and God gave concubines and more wives to beloved David: 2 Sam. 5:13, 12:8; 1 Kgs. 11:3; 2 Chr. 11:21; SS 6:8. But Jesus argued marriage is one man/one woman! Cf. Titus 1:6; 1 Tim. 3:2,12; Dt. 17:17) -
The Bible assures: God blesses the obedient with riches (and health), while the unrighteous suffer lack. (Pro. 13:21; 10:4; 8:18; 3:2; 16:20; 22:4; Dt 6:3,24; 4:1f; 5:32f; 8:1,18; 11:8f,22-25; 30:1-10; Jos 1:7f)
Jesus confuses people by repeatedly saying God’s blessing is toward the poor, and that the rich are in danger of God’s judgment. (Lk. 6:20f, 24f; 8:14; 12:16-21, 33f; 16:14f, 19-31; 18:21-25)
(Plainly, only the One God can forgive sins: Isa. 43:25,10; 44:6; 1 Chr. 17:20; Dt. 6:4; 32:39; Ps. 18:31. But the man Jesus blasphemously steals God’s prerogative: Lk 5:17-26; 7:48f. He brazenly takes His place as God’s Son, King, and final standard of divine judgment: Lk. 11:29-32; 20:17f; 22:69-23:5,14; Mk. 14:62f; Mt. 10:32f; 27:11; 12:39-42; Jn. 19:7,12; 18:37; 19:12; 11:48; 10:32f; cf 5:46, 6:50, 7:38, 8:58, 10:9, 11:25, 14:6ff)
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God’s Law requires the Temple and its’ sacrificial system for receiving God’s forgiveness of sins. (Lev. 1:4, 4:26,31; 42:6; Ex. 30:15f, 32:30)
Jesus directly disrupted the distribution of sacrificial animals in the Temple courts, insisting God made it a place of prayer for the Gentiles. (Mk. 11:15-18; Jn. 2:14-17; Cf. Isa. 56:7) He repeatedly says God does not want sacrifices or sin offerings, but mercy. He threatens the Temple and says our awaited “Son of Man” will crush Jerusalem and God’s Temple. He’s dangerous! (Mt. 9:13; 12:7: Mk 12:33; Lk 19:37-46; 21:5.6, 20-27, 32; 17:30-37; 13:34f; 20:16; Cf. Dan. 7:13f; Hos. 6:6; Isa. 1:11-14; Ps. 40:6-8; Heb. 10:5-8, 8:7-13) -
The Bible instructs us to practice “eye for an eye” justice. (Lev. 24:19f; Dt. 19:21; Ex. 21:24f) But Jesus claims authority to brazenly declare that it is wrong! (Mt. 5:38,39)
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The Bible commands that we execute adulterers caught in the act by eye-witnesses (as well as disobedient children, etc). (Lev. 20:9-13; Deut. 22:22-24)
But when these demands are met, Jesus refuses to uphold God’s Law or holiness. (John 8:1-11) -
God’s Messiah will be the son of David, clearly a military figure. His Word regularly endorses fatal violence toward our enemies, and assassination of those who oppose our belief system!
(Deut. 13:16-18; 7:1f; 2:34f; 3:6f; 17:2-7; 18:20; 20:10-18; 23:6; 2 Chr. 15:13; 1 Sam. 15:3; Jos. 2:10; 6:17,21; 8:2, 22-29; 10:28-40; 11:11-14,20f; Ex. 22:20, 21:20f; Lev. 27:29; 2 Kgs 2:23f; 23:20; Ps. 137:8f; 139:21f, etc)
But Jesus demands mercy (not repayment) even toward enemies. He claims those who draw the sword die by it. Enemies must be loved! (Mt. 5:43-48; 26:52; Lk. 6:27-38; 9:51-56; 11:4; 22:50f; 19:41-44; 1:79) -
Scripture tells us to be separate from pagan sinners, and describes the ‘neighbor’ to whom we are obligated, as our fellow Jew. (Lev. 19:17f equates “neighbor” with “your people” and “brother” Jew.)
Jesus finds this one saying about loving neighbors (Lev. 19: 17-21, 27), hidden among clear rules that he ignores, such as not mixing fabrics or crops, haircuts, food laws, vows, slaves, etc., and insists all the Law and Prophets hang on that one command! (Mt. 22:36-40; 7:12; 23:23; Mk. 12:28-31; Cf. Gal. 5:14; Rom. 13:8-10; Jas. 2:8; 1 Pet. 4:8; 1 Jn. 2:7, 3:11-4:21) Then He presses us to define our neighbor as anyone, and to love everyone. This presses people to compromise with evil! (Lk. 10:25-37; Cf. Mt. 5:43f)
What Conclusions should we draw? I sense that Jesus’ progressive “new wine” is bound to rip the old approach (Lk. 5:36-39). He finds hidden truths (Lk. 20:27-38; Cf. 24:27; Jn. 5:29f), and reverses the apparent meaning of some verses. His selective use of texts, and His interpretations, challenge our certainties about handling Scripture itself. We are not able to systematize or harmonize every Bible verse with all the others. Most vital, Jesus denies it’s all equally important or binding, and calls us to weigh Scripture under his divine authority to interpret it, which tips the scale heavily in favor of love (see #11, 12, etc). Determining what encourages love for God and others appears to be the key guideline in discerning Scripture, and Jesus’ voice in our own life. (Jn. 8:47; 10:3-5; 14:26; Cf. 2 Cor. 3:6)
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Bob, you are openly saying that many things go against OT Scripture so we should just deny it. I won’t be following that logic, but to each their own.
Just on your first point - there is a reason why certain foods were deemed unclean. If you look into which ones were clean v unclean, all the unclean ones are known to carry toxins within them. Especially at a time when there were no vaccines, following Gods recommendation for what to eat did prove beneficial for the follower. Now sure you can eat whatever you want, but that was never the point. The point was that God was looking out for his people, and with that came certain “laws” on food. There have been a couple of studies done on the toxicity of these animals, but some could be seen as biased since done by Jews.
You then go into what seems like 500 different verses about every which thing under the sun. No one here is going to fact check each one.
Thank you, Bob. You have vividly portrayed the new order established by the Son of God!
Vividly. Really?
Can you explain the ‘new order’?
I don’t see that the O.T. concept of “clean” is generally consistent with simply looking out for medical needs (and find this rationale for their meaning a modern fundamentalist apologetic).
But more salient as a defeater of your reason for why food laws are/were vital is that the same toxins (and lack of vaccine) were present when Jesus challenged those “laws” and urged that it was false that these food rules produced uncleanness or needed to be followed. Nothing had changed in what you are pointing toward. Thus Jesus was totally unjustified in dismissing these guidelines.
So Jesus’ Jewish opponents would love your explanation, but it leaves Jesus appearing to be a false prophet who didn’t understand the vital protection that God was looking out for his people, and who led the way to huge harm in the Christian era.
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I believe that God does things for a reason. He isn’t just saying “don’t eat this cuz I don’t want you to.” There is purpose to the madness.
If it leads to this conclusion using scripture, then it leads there.
Also, if it isn’t clear. The 613 commands are for Jews, not gentiles. You were never expected to do those, and are still not expected.
The law and the prophets were until John (Lk 16:16)… since then the kingdom advanced in Jesus; the law did its job tutoring Israel until Christ (Gal 3:23-25)… as good as it was for Israel the law had a use-by-date, i.e., “it is finished”.
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