Are there any OT verses to there being a specific change in covenants which bring the Messiah to forgive sins?
Sorry to use the same argument, but you’re using NT texts to confirm what the NT says is correct. Don’t we need to look at what the Jews were expecting the Messiah to be through the OT, to confirm or deny any claim for someone to be the Messiah? If not, then we can just remove the OT from the bible. Thats pretty much what we Christians do already, so we’re probably not far off.
Well, if your argument is that the Hebrew Scriptures were valid, but that Jesus as a false prophet was dead wrong, that’s at least coherent. I personally think Jesus’ rejection of the food laws made sense and was right on, and btw he was not opposing it for gentiles, but urging Jews that it made no sense to practice them.
I’m really trying to test if Jesus was the Messiah lately, so I’m trying to look at it from all angles. I don’t mean to be divisive when I talk about all this - I know its a very heated topic. I say maybe, maybe… Jesus was not super educated in the Tanak. If the vast majority of the educated Jews were going against his teachings - they must have had a couple of good reasons why.
I appreciate you sharing where you’re at. Of course, if Jesus was indeed an ignorant fake as Messiah, my position that he conflicted with the plainest interpretations of Hebrew Scripture would be equally unmistakable (we’d just differ over whose approach was better, Moses or Jesus).
Indeed, the whole point of my post that you dismissed, is that most educated Jews had powerfully good reasons to go against him and his teachings. For he deeply challenged what appeared to be their clear reading of their Scripture and traditions, and was thus a great threat to the masses allegiance to their authoritative positions.
I’m sure that the devil - and science run amok - will be behind any Z-Hell (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) initiative. 
There is one teacher, I know of:
He taught meditation in silence. And he said you will discover all you need to know, in silence.
Well, I have read this book many times:
And I know his teachings are sound, since he hung around - and was part of the family - of the Medicine Man, Holy Person and Roman Catholic Fools Crow. In his visions, he has a few visions of Christ. Christ in all his glory, is really a brilliant ball of light. And he witnessed this, in this century. Just like they did, in the transfiguration. Or the Tibetans witness and work with light, in this video:
So if you want, to learn the truth…then go DEEP inside, in silent contemplation. 
Well in Jeremiah 31.31 it says “Behold the days are coming when i will make a new covenant” and then goes on to say it will be “written on your hearts” and “you will know the Lord” which other then Jesus who claimed he brought a new covenant, there was nothing else. Then in 70AD the temple and Jerusalem are destroyed and all the records which could actually document the ancestry lines are destroyed so it may be impossible to prove a Messiah after 70AD.
It seems to be a big thing with you that the Jews rejected Jesus but Israel made dozens of mistakes with God in fact so many that He divorced Israel. Israel was constantly disobeying God on a regular basis throughout the OT.
Considering how often they rejected God it actually would have been amazing if they accepted Jesus.
@pilgrim Hmm we are at quite the pickle now. Thanks for the video.
So I will admit - IF some of the 2nd century CE Jewish scribes purposely changed the chronology of Genesis 11 then theres a BIG problem. That could be one of the worst things a Jewish scribe has ever done to Hebrew text.
If this is true (which it seems like it), then translators on both sides of the equation (IMO) are quite seedy. I do still think that there are many problems with the NT, and we really can’t blame the followers of either side for believing what they believe since it’s translators who have not been honest. I will however need to look at it from the Jewish perspective to see if they have a valid explanation for all of this. Might take me a bit more time.
I don’t have any idea what you are referring to nor am i aware of any NT problems that there are not answers to.
I responded to you at least twice where you never acknowledged my response so i don’t know if you want a dialogue or if you just want state your opinions.
Sorry @steve7150 I was referencing something with Pilgrim.
Regarding Jeremiah, it says that the New Covenant will be “written on your hearts” and “you will know the Lord”. It doesn’t say that there will be a Messiah that has to die for your sins in order to get atonement. Why wouldn’t God just say, “In later times, believe in the Messiah and you will be saved.” God says all over the place, “you can do it,” “…you dont need anyone to ascend to heaven and bring it down to you…” (Deuteronomy 30:11-14), “its not too hard.”
There was no other New Covenant & the way people would know the Lord was through Jesus and “written on your hearts” is the message Jesus brought through his teachings which were all about the intentions of the heart rather then ritualistic obedience to 613 commands. This was God’s message here which the Jews rejected but they were wrong many times before which was why God divorced Israel. Jesus did not only come to obtain forgiveness of sins , he came to reveal God which was only partially accomplished in the OT.
Isaiah 43:10-12 …before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no Saviour. I declared and saved and proclaimed, when there was no strange god among you; and you are my witnesses…
I find it absolutely crazy that God didn’t fully reveal himself at Mt. Sinai, thats the entire core of the OT - God revealing himself to them. It would have been a total shift in the entire Jewish world to hear something like that. But why would God do it?
As far as I know @qaz, you are not Jewish. There is absolutely no reason for you to follow any of those. Everyone is however bound by Noahic Commands, which IMO are far less legalistic than what Christians put in church.
Now what you’re saying may be correct, but its not so black and white. Virtually no Christian is actually testing NT claims against the OT. We just induct people into believing in Jesus without understanding the great differences between the two and the implications of getting it wrong. I should just go on hiatus for a while and study things for myself 
Theres too much information in my head right now
That probably beats having too little information in our head 
Well he gave Moses “the law” but he didn’t reveal himself personally to the Israelites and so they still spell his name either G-d or Hashem which is a man made name. They did not know God as a Father who loved them who was merciful. Do you know the Parable of “The Prodigal Son”? Can you imagine this being in the OT? They would have called it blasphemy! It was Jesus who revealed Father God to us in this way. The Jews took the 10 Commandments as the most important commands but in reality they are almost all ritualistic but Jesus told us Loving God & Neighbor were the most important commands.
Here are a few interesting articles, I came across today!
This is true. And what I say, is the problem with “Sola Scriptura”. I’m old school and look through the lens of understanding… of what has been, passed down through tradition - throughout the centuries. So, right or wrong:
I side with things like:
This is how scripture has been collectively understood - throughout the centuries - in the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic understanding…Vs something like RYO (Roll Your Own) understanding, in the Protestant model. Unless you take into consideration, what the church fathers and reformers - had to say
This is how ceremonies, medicine, and healing, has been understood in the Native American world - throughout the centuries…vs some New Age, Mambo Jumbo.
Etc.
And remember, that we are created in the image of God. Even though that image, is tarnished by the disease of sin. But that image is more powerful, then we think it is.
If you can rise above your tiny borders of your body and cage of your conditioned mind, you will discover a borderless infinite expansion of a world that is not just solid and dying but also a mind that is infinitely more powerful than all things put together. Rising is in vibrational terms. Negative, life negating, self-limiting thoughts are signs of ill-ness. Positive, life-affirming and love and gratitude create your inner environment where there is ecological balance and life is pure symphony! You are the architect. Co-creator of the life that you live!
Give yourself the gift of joy and let it spill over to all who come in touch with you and all sentient beings on earth!
~~Bodhi Shuddhaanandaa
I know that but Jesus elevated it to the most important command followed by “love your Neighbor” whereas it was buried in the Torah and wasn’t even part of the 10 Commandments. The difference is dramatic in that not only did Jesus elevate it to the most important command but he said if you love God and neighbor you have fulfilled the law.
Jesus changed the way we should live from a ritualistic religion to an intention of the heart & putting this into action relationship based belief system.
Hi mik
I wrote earlier that Singer had been dishonest with his comments re Psalm 2 and such an approach strikes him off my ‘listen to’ list as he has made himself to be untrustworthy. I find it difficult to understand why you would continue to follow him so avidly when there must be so many other resources to follow
However, you kindly listened to my video so I’ll listen to him in the above video and get back to you. Thanks.
Hi mik
He didn’t say anything surprising to me (in a positive way) but maybe I missed something.
I hope you noticed that he used that old scribes falsehood regarding the genealogy and dating of Shem etc. I think the Bible is clear that this mysterious figure ‘Melchizedek’ has no genealogy and is both King and priest higher than the Aaronic line.
At 18:12 he says that the Jew hatred in the Christian Bible shocked him and was much worse than he thought. But he gave no scripture references to support this statement. My impression of the NT is that Jesus loved the Jews (He was one) and wept over Jerusalem and only had harsh words to say about the Jewish religious leaders who were oppressing ordinary lowly Jews with more burdensome laws which God never commanded nor wanted ie He spoke in favour of ordinary Jews. This sentiment was echoed by Paul who wished he would be cursed for the sake of his brethren.
The idea that the NT Jewish writers were ignorant just doesn’t hold water. Paul was a Pharisee almost certainly a member of the Sanhedrin, and the epistle to the Hebrews is thought by most scholars to be written by Apollos who was a very learned Jew of great intellectual authority.
To be honest, I find it difficult to believe that Singer’s knowledge of second temple Judaism comes anywhere close to the knowledge of those 1st Century Jews who wrote so much of the New Testament.
If you want to sample Jewish input from the other side of the debate, I strongly recommend the videos produced by ‘One for Israel’ who are very learned Jews (messianic).
I include a sample below but I agree with you that all input should be weighed carefully praying that God will lead us into truth.
