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Evidence of Islam

Identifying the end-time religion of the beast enlightens our understanding of other end-time prophecies. One compelling indication is that every nation mentioned in bible prophecy is Arab, Persian, and Islamic today.

Who does God say He will raise up in the last Days?

To explain I decided to post a quick commentary on a few verses of Habakkuk 1 which is one of the most neglected prophets in the bible. I disagree with most futurist, and certainly with all Preterist and Historicist, that Habakkuk is fulfilled prophecy.

Habakkuk 1:6-9
For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.

Verse 9 -
"They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand."

Terrorism, a Muslim’s method of worship and goal of world domination through jihad and demographics is perfectly describe in ONE VERSE in Habakkuk 1:9.

Through the prophet Habakkuk, God clearly states the origin of the end-time beast. They are none other than the Chaldean’s, also known as the Babylonian’s who represent today’s Arabs and Muslim’s in end-time prophecy.

It is a clearly stated goal of Islam that IT will someday dominate the world.

They are hard at work in the EU which by now is lost to Islam, and thanks to the Democrats in the United States, they are infiltrating our schools and government. CAIR announced that their goal is to elect 30 Islamist into Congress.


After 911 people said “we will never forget.”


“Which shall march through the breadth of the earth to possess dwelling places that are not theirs?”

Who is bent on dominating the world today? Who and what religion uses terrorism and demographics bent on world domination? Islam and its jihadist sects have spread into every country to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. (World domination and Sharia law) Not to mention they want ISRAEL eradicated!

Ahh, but it’s just coincidence right?..

"They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves."

They are terrible and dreadful because at 1.8 billion strong, Muslim’s, heavily reside in every country and nearly every neighborhood on earth. They will use the most horrific means of terror available to mankind today to dominate the planet - i.e. chemical, biological, and nuclear terrorism.

…their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

That’s the power of Islamic fear. Because of their evil reputation, you know what’s coming and what they’re capable of. It’s difficult to stop them because they hide among the general population.

"They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand."

They shall come all for violence: (Islamic terrorism)

…their faces shall sup up as the east wind, (Muslim method of worship)

…and they shall gather the captivity as the sand. (Innumerable followers and World domination) Islam has captivated about 1.7 billion followers.

Beheading is mentioned in Revelation 20 and is an Islamic virtue of hate and conversion.

We believe Jesus is the son of God, Muslim’s don’t and they’re not afraid to admit it

Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God. Inscriptions on the octagonal structure of the Dome are anti-Christ. They say…

– There is no God but Allah.
– God has no son; He begetteth not.
– God taketh not unto Himself a son.
– God has no associate.
– Muhammad is the messenger of God.
– Allah will preside on Judgment Day.

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”



The mark of the beast, i.e. the Islamic false prophet, is the zebiba or ‘raisin.’ It’s a patch of hardened skin that forms on the forehead of fanatical Muslims from repeatedly hitting the mat. A Muslim’s forehead hits the mat at least 35 times a day in submission to Allah resulting in over a million prostrations in a lifetime.



The number of the verses in the Koran according to the scholars:
Ibn-i Abbas (ra): 6616, Nafi (ra): 6217, Shayba (ra): 6214,
Scholars of Egypt (ra): 6226,
Zamahshari (ra) (the genius Eloquence Scholar of the Arabic language and literature); 6666.
Bediuzzaman, mujaddid (the reformer) of the13.century, also has the opinion of 6666 verses.

We believe that Jesus Christ takes away our sins and is the Rock of Ages and the chief cornerstone of the Churches foundation. Did you know that Muslim’s bow toward a black rock in Mecca 5 times a day and believe it takes away their sins. This black rock is the ‘cornerstone’ of the Kaaba.


Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, (Shia and Sunni sects of Islam) and he spake as a dragon. (Morning star crescent moon)

The two horned beast is symbolic of the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam - AKA “Babylon the Great.” We put crosses on top of our church steeples, Islam puts two horns…


Morning star and crescent moon.
The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word ‘halal’ and it means, “The Morning Star.” 1966 heylel hay-lale’ from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:–Lucifer. Hilal in Arabic means…. Web definition Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means “crescent” or “new moon.” It’s an Islamic symbol!

Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means… Lucifer… aka Satan… aka the devil… and in Christian literature actually means… The Morning Star and Crescent Moon…ISLAM!


We believe Jesus is the “prophet like unto Moses.” Muslims believe that would be the false prophet Muhammad.

The locust of Rev. 9 has long been associated with Muslims because in several places in the Old Testament the Arabs are associated with and likened to locust or grasshoppers. Revelation 9 is where suicide bombers are found.

And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.


The Koran
In the Old Testament the Arabs are associated with locust and that’s why I say Revelation 9 represents the Arabs and Muslim’s. It’s only fitting that

Revelation 10 represents the Koran.
The Koran is a little book about 1/10th the size of the bible. 10.0487 times smaller to be exact. (Peculiar that it’s found in chapter 10) The bitter judgments are mentioned elsewhere in the Revelation. In my views less. From Revelation 11 on, there’s probably only 60-90 days left to fulfill all the prophecies leading up to the Lords return.

In Revelation 10 John is instructed to eat a little book. The Sweet and bitter little book is believed to be the bible or book of Daniel by most interpreters. I believe it is the Koran. A few reasons why…

To eat a book means to consume its contents. Ezekiel eats a book and it too was sweet as honey. He is told the purpose for eating the roll, “eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.” The difference between John eating the ‘little book,’ and Ezekiel eating the roll is that EVEN THOUGH it was ‘bad news’ for Israel, Ezekiel’s belly doesn’t turn bitter and John’s belly does.

It’s bitter to Johns belly.
Bitter means to irritate, exasperate, render angry, indignant. Like here…
“Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.”

The belly is figurative of “pleasures of the palate and the innermost part of a man, THE SOUL, heart as the seat of thought, feeling, choice.”

This means the book irritates and angers the thoughts and feelings of the soul.

Revelation 10:4
“And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.”

They “uttered their voices,” instructing John NOT to write or document what he heard from the seven thunders. If it were the bible, there would be no reason to seal the book up at this point in time because this is the Revelation, the time of disclosure in the time of the end. The bible and its prophecies are coming to an end of it’s fulfilment.

Daniel was also told to seal up a book that would be unsealed (NOT SEALED) in the time of the end…

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:

So why was John told NOT to write what he heard? So I say it’s likely that book (Koran) is full of evil and bad news. Another coincidence is that Muhammad claimed that thunder and the lightning are two of Allah’s angels.

The Whore of Babylon. Where is she from, who and what does she represent.

The Hadith promises its fanatical adherents a mansion in paradise with up to 70 bedrooms with a virgin in each one for committing the abominations of the earth. The number of virgins they get is dependent upon the magnitude of the abomination they commit. The Whore of Babylon is another clue that Islam is the harlot - the Whore of Babylon - which is the dominate religion of the beast.

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The wilderness is better translated THE DESERT.

John is taken into the ‘desert’ to witness the judgment of the great harlot that sits upon or ‘occupies’ this beast. Mecca and Medina reside in the desert of Saudi Arabia. Therefore, the beast of Revelation 17 is situated in the desert of Saudi Arabia. This isn’t Rome, the pope, the EU, the U.S., the UN, or a unification of world religions. She represents ISLAM who even today is responsible for committing the abominations of the earth.

Another coincidence is that Mecca has 10 spires and seven entrances…

"Sitteth upon many waters,"
The word ‘sitteth’ means to occupy which indicates that she is the dominate religion of the beast. It also implies this religion is worldwide and ‘occupies’ nearly every country on earth. She’s identified as “Babylon the Great” which literally means, “A Large False Religion.” Revelation 17:5 could be rendered…,


Counterfeit Christianity
Islam is the most counterfeit religion in the world compared to Christianity. It has a false god named Allah. A false prophet named Muhammad who Muslims believe is, “the prophet like unto Moses.” A returning false christ called, “the Muslim jesus.” False books called the Koran and the hadith. A false returning messiah called the Mahdi. A self-fulfilling false prophetic scenario very similar to Christianity’s with ‘jesus’ also returning only to be the Mahdi’s subordinate. Not to mention the Islamic ‘dajjal’ who is the Islamic anti-Christ and could be the biblical anti-Christ as well. And to think. ISIS believes that Jesus will return to help them defeat the dajjal who is the Islamic antichrist!

Welcome to Babylon the Great, the end-time false religion that launches the world into Tribulation!

The two horned beast.
“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

The word ‘LIKE’ means…like, similar, resembling. It’s a religion similar to Christianity, which Islam is a prefect counterfeit of.

Ever notice how lambs horns can resemble crescent moons?


People who say the two horned beast is the United States claim the two horns represent the Democratic and Republican parties. I believe they represent the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam. Many people presume that the “mark of the beast” is imposed by the anti-christ, but it’s imposed by the two horned beast or ‘false prophet.’

Islam is the only religion on earth today capable to impose a ‘mark’ upon its followers.

What evidence is there that the Mark of the Beast comes from Islam?

The Zebiba


This is the zebiba or ‘raisin.’ It’s a patch of hardened skin that forms on the forehead of fanatical Muslims from repeatedly hitting the mat. A Muslim’s forehead hits the mat at least 35 times a day in submission to Allah resulting in over a million prostrations in a lifetime. This could be what we call the mark of the beast. It will not be worldwide but limited to Muslim dominated countries and possibly only within the ten nation Islamic Empire of the beast. The mark in the hand could be the requirement of Muslim’s to carry a Koran in their right hand when they go purchase things. The right hand is a Muslim’s CLEAN HAND.

Most people are unaware that the right hand and forehead have religious significance in Islam. They’re too busy looking at the Pope’s funny hat.

The word 'worship’ in the book of Revelation is the word ‘proskyneō’ and it perfectly describes a Muslim’s form of worship…

"Among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence."

Iron and Clay
Daniel uses the word MINGLED to describe the iron and clay. That word is the Aramaic word ARAB which implies an ARAB and/or Saudi Arabia. ISLAM is the dominate religion of the Arabs and entire region.

"Captive silly women," has ISLAM written all over it.

2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,…

The word ‘silly’ is better interpreted ‘little’ in the sense of being insignificant. After all, Mid-East Muslims value their cattle more than their women and consider them as ‘farmland’. Muslim women have been held captive to the oppressive religion of Islam since its inception. Not to mention that most people murdered in an honor killing is a woman.

I challenge other forum members to show more compelling evidence of another world religion emerging in the end.

Since I know a “little bit” about Islam…I need to defend it, in the Holy Fool style of

Let me quote the stories, from the Wiki article. :crazy_face:

Lending a pot[edit]

One day Nasreddin went to his neighbour and asked to borrow a large cooking pot on account of him having to entertain guests. The neighbour obliged and Nasreddin promised to bring it back shortly.

Weeks passed when the neighbour came by to remind Nasreddin about his pot.

Embarrassed, the hodja went inside and after a short time re-emerged with the pot.

On handing it over there was a clanging sound inside upon which the neighbour lifted the lid to reveal a smaller pot inside. “Hodja, what is this?” He exclaimed. “Glad tidings, neighbour, it seems the pot you gave me was expecting and this is her young!” The neighbour gave the hodja a silent look and left with both pots.

Some time later Nasreddin again asked to borrow the pot and the neighbour happily obliged.

Again weeks passed and the neighbour found himself on the hodja’s doorstep inquiring about his pot.

“Alas!” Nasreddin exclaimed mournfully, your dear pot fell ill and passed on to the afterlife, please accept my condolences, my neighbour."

“But hodja, how can a metal pot die?” said his neighbour whereupon Nasreddin hodja flew into a rage and yelled:“You had no trouble believing it gave birth but her death strikes you as incredible? Now begone, you rascal!”[ This quote needs a citation ]

The Sermon[edit]

Once Nasreddin was invited to deliver a sermon. When he got on the pulpit, he asked, Do you know what I am going to say? The audience replied “no” , so he announced, I have no desire to speak to people who don’t even know what I will be talking about! and left.

The people felt embarrassed and called him back again the next day. This time, when he asked the same question, the people replied yes . So Nasreddin said, Well, since you already know what I am going to say, I won’t waste any more of your time! and left.

Now the people were really perplexed. They decided to try one more time and once again invited the Mulla to speak the following week. Once again he asked the same question – Do you know what I am going to say? Now the people were prepared and so half of them answered “yes” while the other half replied “no”. So Nasreddin said Let the half who know what I am going to say, tell it to the half who don’t, and left.[24]

Whom do you believe?[edit]

Nasreddin Hodja in Bukhara

Nasreddin Hodja in Ankara

A neighbour came to the gate of Mulla Nasreddin’s yard. The Mulla went to meet him outside.

“Would you mind, Mulla,” the neighbour asked, “can you lend me your donkey today? I have some goods to transport to the next town.”

The Mulla didn’t feel inclined to lend out the animal to that particular man, however. So, not to seem rude, he answered:

“I’m sorry, but I’ve already lent him to somebody else.”

All of a sudden the donkey could be heard braying loudly behind the wall of the yard.

“But Mulla,” the neighbour exclaimed. “I can hear it behind that wall!”

“Whom do you believe,” the Mulla replied indignantly, “the donkey or your Mulla?”[25]

Taste the same[edit]

Some children saw Nasreddin coming from the vineyard with two baskets full of grapes loaded on his donkey. They gathered around him and asked him to give them a taste.

Nasreddin picked up a bunch of grapes and gave each child a grape.

“You have so much, but you gave us so little,” the children whined.

“There is no difference whether you have a basketful or a small piece. They all taste the same,” Nasreddin answered, and continued on his way.[26]

Nasreddin’s ring[edit]

Mulla had lost his ring in the living room. He searched for it for a while, but since he could not find it, he went out into the yard and began to look there. His wife, who saw what he was doing, asked: “Mulla, you lost your ring in the room, why are you looking for it in the yard?” Mulla stroked his beard and said: “The room is too dark and I can’t see very well. I came out to the courtyard to look for my ring because there is much more light out here.”[27]

To me establishing this as factual or even likely is the heart of the matter!

According to Shoebat who is an ex muslim, they worship the black rock

There isn’t, but the good news is that the Beast & False Prophet are ultimately thrown into the Lake of Fire but of course between now and then there will be much tribulation.

Well, Wiki - with scholarly footnotes - begs to differ.

Muslims do not worship the Black Stone.[5][6]

And this is further discussed on Quora:

And on a Catholic forum


Remember. I am defending them. Just as I did the porn producer, in the business ethics academic class. But for this thread, I take on the Holy Fool personal of Nasreddin. :crazy_face:

The question is how long is the prophesied tribulation? I’m not a believer in Daniel’s 70th week. I can agree it’s likely 3 1/2 or 7 years but not convinced we know for sure. Any ideas?

Once again undecided but there is a 45 day period at the end of Daniel, maybe it has relevance? Seven year trib from Daniel or 3 1/2 years is possible , i think 3 1/2 is mentioned several times in Revelation.

I think that 45 day period is the length of time of the last Trump which runs between Revelation 11:15 and say Revelation 20-21. When the last trump sounds, in that 45 day period several things occur to include the gathering of both living and dead believers in Revelation 14.

I assume when you say “Trump” - it’s short for trumpet? And NOT referring to President Trump, or one of his decedents. :crazy_face:

A few years ago, it would have been Communism that was the great Satan, now it’s Islam. You need to read about the Scapegoat Theory of Atonement. I summarise it here based on Jeremy Myer’s (a Trump supporter btw) book:

"Sacrifices are something we humans wanted to do, not God’s desire, but He tolerated the practice (and took the blame for it) because the act of sacrificing helped reduce the violence in our communities through psychological and social effects which led us to believe that God had sent peace post-sacrifice.

Jeremy shows that humans are prone to scapegoating without even realising it. We scapegoat and then sacrifice mostly innocent people for the sake of a stronger community. Jesus blood as the ultimate perfectly innocent scapegoat sacrifice exposes the truth about this practice and also our tendency to blame God for evils that we humans have in fact initiated eg. when we claim that God has called us to kill our enemies, when we (mis)use the law to scapegoat, when we believe that a bloodthirsty god needed Jesus sacrifice as an appeasement - we scapegoat God Himself and have done so repeatedly throughout history as evidenced all over the Bible if we open our eyes to see."

Anyway, this is another thread I will not partake further in.

This is an interesting general belief which very well may be true, but in this case we have specific scripture to evaluate one way or the other and that is the point of the thread.

Wrong! The last Trump is referring to Baron Trump! We have 45 years left!

That’s the adaptability of dispensationalism… in its various forms when time proves the falsity its claims it simply morphs into the next manifestation of current world happenings and thus the fake news continues — it’s predominately a North American evangelical beast.

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Both Communism and Radical Islam are in fact world-wreckers. IMO. And I’m no evangelical.

True, in their respective times both “world-wreckers” as you say, but are not of biblical prophecy as per dispensational evangelicalism wherein in given time-frames such as the goal-posts always conveniently get moved.

I can’t RESIST sharing this article, from a site on Islam. :crazy_face:

Let me quote a bit, as this article might - have relevance for us. :crazy_face:

Indeed, Allah is the cleaver of grain and date seeds. He brings the living out of the dead and brings the dead out of the living. That is Allah; so how are you deluded? [Quran, 6:95]

I asked myself, why indeed? Why is this a generation of zombie-lovers? I posed the question to a young friend: “Why are people your age so obsessed with zombies? Zombie movies, zombie games, zombie profile pics . . .”

She didn’t even have to stop to reflect. “Because we are zombies,” she replied sadly.

“What do you mean?”

“We go through life in a daze. We have no direction, no goals except to eat and keep moving. We’re losing the ability to speak, think, and feel. So we identify with zombies.”

Wow. Sad.

Kind of reminds me of this movie.

Just a footnote folks. This article is talking about Hollywood zombies. And if foks have visions of real zombies (AKA Z-Hell (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9);)…these visions would be clouded by Hollywood zombies, IMHO. In reality, any REAL zombies would be akin to the movies Invasion Of The Body Snatchers’ and Get Out. And we would have trouble distinguishing, between the former human and the new spirit, inhabiting the body. And it wouldn’t be a person, from the grave. But a living person who died and was instantly resurrected, by another spirit inhabiting the body. My thoughts are SCARIER than any Hollywood version. :crazy_face:

But I digress. The article is talking about Hollywood zombies, like these:

Your infatuation with zombies is out of control!

I humbly beg the court’s indulgence, your honor. Let me present to you and the jury, the rationale behind my court presentation. :crazy_face:

What I’m really showing, is how Islam really sees them. And they are like us, according to the Islamic child’s perspective. Which is correct, IMHO. And by “inference”, Muslims are just like us. Just as Hollywood zombies, are just like us. And we are like them, both zombies and Muslims simultaneously. Just look at this as “food for fodder”, for an “aspiring” Holy Fool - emulating Nasreddin on this forum thread. :crazy_face:

So I present my “evidence for Islam”, your honor. Islam is seeing things “correctly”. BOTH by this presented court example and other things in life - to boot. :wink:

As an added footnote, for newcomers here. The Holy Fool path, is a valid historical Christian path - from the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic perspective. And Nasreddin (and Sufi saints in general) would be the Islamic equivalent - of that path.

And yes, I have hung out with the mystic and saintly “outcasts” - of those outside Christianity. Whether they be Islamic Sufis, Native American Medicine and Holy People, Tibetan Lamas, Indian Yogis or Zen masters. They have wisdom, to teach us Christians. Unless we are lucky enough, to hang around Roman Catholic and/or Eastern Orthodox saints (or saints in the making). And I would be honored, to hang around someone like Nasreddin.

See Mulla Nasreddin on Reaching Enlightenment

Nasreddin was walking in the bazaar with a large group of followers. Whatever Nasreddin did, his followers immediately copied. Every few steps Nasreddin would stop and shake his hands in the air, touch his feet and jump up yelling “Hu Hu Hu!”. So his followers would also stop and do exactly the same thing.

One of the merchants, who knew Nasreddin, quietly asked him: “What are you doing my old friend? Why are these people imitating you?”

“I have become a Sufi Sheikh,” replied Nasreddin. “These are my Murids (spiritual seekers); I am helping them reach enlightenment!”

“How do you know when they reach enlightenment?”

“That’s the easy part! Every morning I count them. The ones who have left – have reached enlightenment!”

I agree in that people are people and i bet most muslims are secular but ideas and beliefs can be miles apart.