Romans 1:18
For God’s [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.
The Law of Moses is a veil to the Truth, and those who read from the Law (live by it) are veiled from the Truth.
Revelation 14:9 has already come to pass.
How am I deceiving you? Everything I say is plain and simple to understand. Scripture is very clear the GENTILES WERE NEVER UNDER THE LAW, nor did the TEMPLE mean anything to the Gentiles. They were neither under a curse nor were they in the blessings of God.
The physical veil was torn in two, symbolizing the LAW and EVERYTHING CONCERNING IT IS GONE and HAS NO POWER, unless of course you return to it and submit yourself back to it. This is evil.
Galations 5:1IN [this] freedom Christ has made us free [and completely liberated us]; stand fast then, *and do not be hampered and held ensnared and submit *again to a yoke of slavery [which you have once put off].
If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given a right standing with God through the Law, you are brought to nothing and so separated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God’s gracious favor and unmerited blessing).
There is no deception here, you just don’t understand it yet. Take care of yourself Michael, you are a man of two minds still, and I pray that you find peace.
About justification:
Romans 5:9-
We have been justified by His blood
Romans 3:24 -
We have been justified by His grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
Romans 3:28 -
We hold that one is justified by faith apart from the works of the law
Christ shed His blood to cancel the guilt of my crimes. Justification is not merely the cancellation of my unrighteousness though. I have a righteousness, not of my own, which comes through faith in Christ. It does not come from the law.
Phil. 3:9 -
not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ
Christ’s is the basis of my pardon and perfection.
The Bible explicitly tells us that wickedness exists for God’s wise purposes.
God has done this in His own mysterious way that preserves the responsibility of the wicked and the sinlessness of His own heart. I am humbled at not being able to explain this mystery.
I have been decieved into believing that the God of the Bible is bloodthirsty just because He was pouring out His wrath (through the actions of evil men and Satan) on our sins that were laid on Christ at the cross. Granted this wasn’t the only thing God was doing at the cross but I do believe the Bible teaches that God’s wrath was being removed at the cross so that we can see and savor Divine Beauty in the face of Jesus Christ. That being said I want to focus in on the blood that was in the atonement. The Bible tells us that :
Yet it pleased the Lord to crush Him;
He has put Him to grief - Isaiah 53:10
Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us,
a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God - Ephesians 5:2
Lev. 17:11 - For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.
The Bible tells us that the wages of sin is death. When we sin we die spiritualy. It’s also a fact that life is in the blood. When the blood of God was poured out it gave us spiritual life thereby washing away our sins. God is pleased with the precious blood of Christ because it cleanses us of our sins. He’s not bloodthirsty or sadistic. What God was pleased about when He allowed evil to murder the innocent Christ was what Christ was accomplishing in His death. Not the evil, suffering, and blood in and of itself. What Satan meant for evil God meant for good. God was pleased in the love and compassion of the Son and the good He will bring out of the most evil act ever commited by man.
They way you wrote it, you said that we were somehow deceiving you.
As demonstrated above by david and myself, God is not bloodthirsty, nor is His wrath a vindictive result of our sin. Rather, the wrath of God (which first, is difficult to understand, doesn’t lead to eternal condemnation or even one being lost) is not evil, nor does it demand blood. The Law demanded blood, not God.
Hebrews 9:22
[In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins [under the Law].
The wrath of God is a restoring power, destroying that which has blocked our vision from seeing the truth.
The wages of sin is death, under the Law.
Romans 7:9 Once I was alive, but quite apart from and unconscious of the Law. But when the commandment came, sin lived again and I died (was sentenced by the Law to death).
What Satan (The Accuser), calculated for evil, God calculated for good. What is the Accuser? What keeps accusing people daily? What did blood of Jesus fulfill and make obsolete? What was nailed to the cross? It please God that what kept accusing the brothers night and day in heaven, has been thrown down and defeated. Satan is not persons, celestial being, etc. It is the Law. Satan means the Accuser. The Law is the Accuser.
Now you must admit to yourself, you were never under the Law or had you been, the Law has no jurisdiction over your life.
Romans 5:9-We have been justified by His blood.
Refers to those who were once under the Law, but does has no relevance to those who are not under the Law. So why the Gentiles were justified by His blood, is because we were adopted and lifted up and made co-sharers in the blessings of God under a new covenant, one through the act of destroying the Old Covenant, established a New One.
Good to see you work out these issues in your mind.
This is a very interesting insight. I think there is much merit to the idea that the Law is the accuser. It certainly has the effect of making people feel guilty and on the outs with God, at least those who are reasonably honest and realistic about themselves. The only ones not impacted that way are sociopaths and the self-righteous.
I’ve been following this discussion with interest, and not to throw in a wrench or anything, but in the OT we see God literally, in an audible voice accompanied by fire and thunder, decreeing His Ten Commandments to the Hebrews. They responded with “Let not God speak to us, lest we die, etc.” IMO, that’s the point. You do die when you truly hear from God. It’s the only way to escape from this world’s system and the effects of the TOKOGE (that would be the wrong tree for anyone not familiar with our catchy abbreviations). 
So I’m wondering how you come to the conclusion that the law was just something dreamed up by Moses et al. (Maybe that’s not what you’re saying, but that’s what I heard . . . you know how that is.) It looks to me like, if God was not the one giving the law (the whole law), Moses or whomever had no qualms about presenting the law as having been given directly by God. And even in the NT, we see the law presented as having been our tutor to lead us to grace.
I’m willing to change my opinion, given sufficient evidence and the witness of the Spirit, but at present it looks to me that God gave the law because the people didn’t want the relationship. They wanted a safe list of rules that they could apply and feel good about them – know where they were with God, and none of this nebulous stuff about following the leading of the Spirit. So God gave them what they asked for and allowed them to learn for themselves how impossible it is to live a righteous life in one’s own strength. Even obeying the law perfectly misses the point, because of course the point is LOVE, and that can only be entered into by the Spirit.
David, for all his inconsistencies, saw and apprehended this (as did a few others we know of) and was called a “man after God’s heart.” We may well scratch our heads over that, reading of David’s sins and myriad foolish acts, but God saw David’s genuine repentance and his desire for the intimate relationship with Him, and of course, his faith and child-like trust. So David transcended the law in advance of most of his countrymen. But I’m getting off the subject.
I’m not sure how we can get past admitting that the law of Moses is at least presented in scripture as having been inspired and given by God and with His approval. I’ve looked desperately to see whether there isn’t some hint that Moses wrote those slavery laws and (to us) unpleasant laws about women, etc., and either somebody lied, or those laws came from the Throne. Moses (who got it) was constantly in the tent of meeting, only second to Joshua’s time there. He came down from the mount with his face glowing from time spent with God. Moses says he got all that stuff directly from our Father.
The idea of the law as the accuser, on the other hand, seems perfectly consistent. Paul said that the law was good, but that it brought death to him when he learned it. I believe that we all come to some sense of the law at some point in our lives. If we don’t take up the one Moses wrote, then we make our own version – often we use the NT to craft it. This is the way of natural humans; to eat from the TOKOGE, even if we build that tree from NT scriptures. So in this sense both Gentiles and Jews need deliverance from the law. They are condemned by the law, and we are condemned without the law by violating our own consciences (and conscience is as much a function of social norms (law) as of our own innate moral senses).
So anyway, I didn’t mean to write so long, but what do you say about this?
Blessings and thanks, Cindy
It is a topic which most people don’t recognize, and they continue to quote from the Law in order to defend it as being from God without understanding that the Law of Moses is self-proclaiming itself as being from God. It is like if I wrote a book and proclaimed it was the words of God and used quotes in the book which speak about the book being the actual words of God.
John 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.
Am I saying that the Law of Moses is completely devoid of God? No, it was written for a people and time as instructed by a man whom God had chosen to save His people from slavery (a type and shadow of things to come). From the Law of Moses however, came a legalistic mindset that turned the Law of Moses from an instruction from a man inspired by God, to turning it into god itself and it is this Law, which is evil and works against God’s people (even though there is no difference between it). So we have two Laws, Law of God, (the Law of Life in Christ Jesus) which does not accuse us and the Law of Moses which is based on the Law of God but was ultimately imperfect because the Law of Moses was written by a man.
I can show you a lot more in the proper setting that the Law of Moses is the ‘god of this world’ which has blinded God’s people.
AUniversalist if you would do a proper thread on your POV that would be great. My thoughts are very much similar to Cyndy’s btw. I definitely agree with the law being the accuser/satan.
Indeed it is. I will post my belief in a new thread soon then.
WOW… please post soon!!! This is ALL new to me and I am fascinated!! 
Can’t wait to read what y’all have to say! 
Thanks heaps ahead of time! 