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How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

Practices Christian Living
#3605

Well this is a good idea:
"The idea was simple: States ought to administer their high school students the same U.S. Citizenship Civics Test that all applicants for U.S. citizenship must pass. To earn a diploma, young Americans should have to show they know at least as much about this country’s system of self-government and heritage as those who have come here in quest of the blessings of liberty. And schools should teach what students need to know to be knowledgeable citizens in an exceptional republic.

Yes, most of the questions in the bank of 100 from which the multiple-choice citizenship tests are crafted require no deep thinking. A few examples: “What is the supreme law of the land?” “What did the Declaration of Independence do?” “What do we call the first 10 amendments to the Constitution?” Yet, knowing about the Constitution, the reasons for rejecting British rule, and the Bill of Rights’ safeguarding of individual liberty from overbearing government opens the door to a deeper understanding of American exceptionalism.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/27/in-restoring-civics-start-with-the-basics/

Ronda just reminded me that we old guys used to be required to memorize this Preamble to the Constitution in order to graduate. These are earth-shaking and wonderful words:

" We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

#3606

As is the Norm for me, I have nothing much to add to this thread. So, I’ll simply say

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you Americans in this Forum.

I sincerely appreciate all your contributions, even the beliefs most of you hold that are contrary to mine and, by default, wrong. I’ll continue my struggle, admittedly depressing at times, to point out where and why you are in error. Think of it as the patient, longsuffering encouragement a loving father bestows on his children.

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#3607

Will do! God save your glorious Queen!

#3608

Can I hear an A-Men!
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#3609

Speaking of Thanksgiving, Trump and the BBC news. :crazy_face:

#3610

Good for him! and the troops love it. He also said he expects them all to be able to come home fairly soon. A nice gift for Thanksgiving.
And I’m thankful for reading at least this one article where the BBC did not get snarky and dump on Trump for something!!

#3611

Thankful for our President Trump’s salute to Hong Kong’s demonstrators for democracy. Though I’m skeptical of winning a trade war with China and this may add more difficulty, I’m glad to see a traditional American affirmation toward those seeking greater freedom.

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#3612

And don’t forget the turkey’s view this thanksgiving. :wink:

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#3613

This is the first time I have been aware of you expressing that degree of baloney.

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#3614

Classic, simply classic :laughing:

#3615

Well, it won’t be the last - and you were the one expressing with glee, it seemed, that Orange Man Bad was leading us into a recession. So not so much baloney, as you have taken every shot at him that you can, with no acknowledgement of anything good. I will remain unapologetic in the face of your recalcitrance. And the same goes for Bob.

#3616

Dave, why do you keep asserting that I never affirm anything good about the president ?? I’ve posted many dozens of praises about him (even providing lists of them to you), even one acknowledgement two posts above that you “liked.” (Do you equally post praises about leaders you challenge?)

I dislike false accusations and ad hominems (such as calling my calm sentence about improving possible health trends a “Leftist rant”), but I have difficulty succeeding with the search feature.
WHERE do Don or I state ‘glee’ about a “recession” & call the president ‘Orange Man Bad’?

#3617

Speaking of Thanksgiving. Here’s an interesting, Native American giving thanks message.

And here are some tips from Wordpress, for writing posts and blogs.

#3618

What’s new at the AMERICAN thinker?

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#3619

Randy, thanks for the writing tips. I won’t follow them, of course, because the only way to get someone to admit they are wrong around here is to smack them with a 2x4.
For 3 years I have pointed out the stupidity of things that have been claimed by *** and stateside liberals.
Trump colluded with Russia. Wrong. It was the Dems that did it. Total number of apologies for slurring Trump - Zero. Libs are constitutionally (pun) unable to give one inch. They are in a word, unfair.
Hillary deleted 33K emails. *** doesn’t care, neither does ***, as far as I can tell. NO, it’s always Trump. Unfair.
Trump is homophobic, Islamophobic, Racist, Communist, Putin’s puppet - come on, these are all demonstrably false, but will lefties give ONE inch? NO. Unfair.
America is cruel, unjust, built on slavery, does not care for the common man, Trump is only wanting to make he and his friends richer, Melania is a slut, big business is always bad, the climate will kill us in 11 years and the way to avoid it is to give our taxpayer money to ****-hole countries to atone for our being a great nation. None of those things is true. Give ONE inch on those? NO. Unfair.
Drag queens and queers teaching grade school, Christians not allowed to hang posters, Sharia being taught in grade school, American history being re-written under pressure from gays, blacks, indians whatever - any liberals comment on these things? NO. Unfair.
Tremendous economic gains for blacks, minorities, middle class; business happy to relocate back to America because of greater tax incentives; military being rebuilt after Obama tried to destroy it - we are now safer. T pulling us out of foreign wars as everyone else had promised to do but did not. Any liberals or Canadians giving props? NO. Unfair.
Pulling us out of the idiotic Paris accords, forcing the Iranian treaty to be uncovered for the silly thing it was, putting reins on Putin, continuing to be the defense for a great part of Europe that has to be hog-tied to force it to pay even a puny amount in its own defense - in other words, it is us the American taxpayers that are working every day to help protect people that show us no respect in return - these and many more - do *** or *** admit any of this? NO. Unfair.

So Randy - there is NO writing style that can overcome an opponent that will not be thoughtful enough to admit it is wrong, that knows nothing except attack by parroting Rachel Madcow, Anderson Cooper, Whoopi, Joy Behar, Morning Joe and the rest of the hate Trumpers that will NEVER give one inch in their hatred. Not one. How do you talk to those people, Randy? Use the dulcet tones of a ***?

What I expect in response is - nothing. None of the above will be addressed. What will be pointed out is MY attitude and aggressiveness, not the evasiveness, sloppy thinking and slanderous remarks I get in return.
Yeah, it has driven me a little crazy. I have muted a couple of folks here - and I suggest you all mute me - because I get NOTHING fair from them at all, time after time.
So again - thanks for the tips. But I might as well become one of the bowtie and silk-stocking Republicans as ‘settle down’ and look for common ground - there is no common ground when one side will NOT even discuss the facts. In other words, there has to be a bit of FAIRNESS for there to be a ‘conversation’.
Way it is.

#3620

Except it just prompts folks, to look for 2 by 4’s - to return the gift and favor. :crazy_face:

And sometimes it resembles a Stooge convention. :crazy_face:

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#3621

Observations by Baylor University’s Baptist professor of theology, Roger Olson:

#3622

I trust you on that and appreciate offering such clarity on your approach.

#3623

See - as I suspected and prophesied, Randy , you did not address the substance of what I said. It is never addressed. Point made.
I don’t care about the 2/4’s. As said, I have muted those who have not once respond in fairness to the things I listed above and have done ad nauseum; so I cannot hear them anyway any longer. I’m happier now, but sad that dialogue was never even a factor when I asked questions.

Randy - here is one example. Just one.
Trump collusion. The libs here were all over it, and parroted the MSM: Trump working for Putin. collusion. Every slander in the book thrown at Trump. Noone here from the lib side saying anything about fairness.
So - after 3 years of unfettered access, with 21 anti-Trump attorneys, Mueller, and the entire MSM daily cheering them on - Trump was found innocent. Biden was the one doing the collusion.

Now Randy - noone here from the lib side has acknowledged these facts.
So - it’s my fault for being aggressive? You have NOTHING to say about the fact that after 3 years, libs are still unrepentant? Or is the most important thing that I ‘calm down’ and ‘show respect’?
Will you answer that, or should I prophesy once again that you will ignore it, and point to how uncouth, unlearned, unchristian, unreasonable, and stooge-like I am? Don’t bother - I know the answer.
By ALL means, Randy - don’t point the finger at those who are unfair idealogues.

Nobody else here even HAS a 2/4.

#3624

True, “nobody else here” who asks questions on some of your assertions, nor those who resonate with you entirely and defend you, even displays any faith in the 2x4 approach.