Don is another that I no longer read on this topic, as he has proven not to be interested in fairness to any extent. He will not admit to T’s strengths in keeping promises, standing up to foreign governments, making America more prosperous, and saving us - for now - from a Leftist socialist mob.
He’s all about hate toward T, and has been from the beginning. Beats me why.
Sorry Don, but it’s all true.
I speak only for myself, of course. On other topics, Don is golden. Except for guns…
Are you serious? Obama became president in January 2009. If you look at the graph, that was when the rate of spending started to accelerate and continued at that faster rate through his first term that ended in January 2013. Thereafter the graph contains projections. I haven’t found one that indicates actual rates for the past seven years, Perhaps you can find one. :pleading face:
Sometimes Bob likes to be clever and he said “Obama’s democratic predecessor” which was Clinton, but of course Bob could have simply said Clinton. Under Obama the national debt doubled in 8 years from 10 trillion to 20 trillion.
BTW one of the 2 idiotic impeachment charges against Trump is “obstruction of Congress”???
which is not caving in to everything the House demanded and going to court. Well the Supreme Court agreed to take the case including a yes vote from Ruth Ginzberg and accepting the case by itself destroys any argument re “obstructing Congress.”
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What’s new on the BBC? 
Gotta love that BBC! Always fair and balanced!!
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Well, we do have another thread - for daily quotes. But I now bring you 5 notable quotes.
Note: The following image puts in " …". for the words “DEEP S&#$” - well, you can figure it out.
The missing word is ‘wonderfulness’ - it’s a wonderful letter.
I will admit the BBC is much better than CNN:
t has been a rough 48 hours for liberal CNN media pundit Brian Stelter, who is facing backlash for blaming technical issues after remaining stone silent on Sunday when a guest on his ratings-challenged program claimed President Trump is responsible for more deaths than brutal dictators Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.
“Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, Mao were in the last century. He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were,” psychiatrist Dr. Allen Frances told Stelter on Sunday.
- If a person is American, and says they now choose to identify as Italian, does that genuinely make them Italian?
- If a person is caucasian, and says they now choose to identify as black, does that genuinely make them black?
- If a young person says they feel old, could that genuinely make them a senior citizen, and qualify them for retirement benefits?
Where will this end?
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at the boundaries of the human imagination.
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It will end in 1984 if we’re not careful.
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“The deception of rainbow activists i cloaked in the language of “anti-discrimination” and “inclusion”. It is possible that many ALP members are unaware that the plans for the socialist revolution are fully articulated in their national platform. These policies, if implemented, would grant extraordinary powers to the state to intervene in the family lives of Australians—a hallmark of totalitarianism. Rather than supporting “Aussie families”, these policies are intended to hasten the end of the Australian family as we have always known it. They envisage the exchange of fundamental democratic freedoms and human rights (freedom of speech, religion, thought, conscience and belief, the rights of parents to bring up their children in accordance with their own convictions, among others) for the dubious advantage of “liberation” from oppressive gender norms and expectations of heterosexuality proffered in their place by the queer revolution.” https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/04/how-labor-will-impose-the-queer-revolution/
Well, I hear you affirming my intuition. I.e. You understandably do think inherited “sex” (physical gender) determines how people should socially identify, dress, etc., that it’s immoral for them to choose differently than your knowledge of this, and gov’ts role is to enforce ethics, including these.
That’s why I outlined why some make and seek to justify making deeply preferred but unconventional choices of their own that disturb you. And it’s why I raised how gov’t’s in free societies should handle those who make such provocative (let’s argue, unreasonable) untraditional minority choices.
I argued in effect that it is not always the calling of gov’t to enforce the truths or morality that seems most reasonable to most of us. Rather that free societies lean toward accommodating freedom for even controversial choices, when exercising their freedom doesn’t convincingly do tangible harm to others. I.e. we put the law on the side of preferred behavior only when there are common ground arguments that not enforcing our own ethics’ limits will do manifest harm to others.
That’s why I kept raising real life examples about harm and safety, such as restroom laws for transgenders, and the tradeoffs in a diverse society, rather than simply your issue of gov’t just always enforcing what you reason is ontologically the correctly true ethic.
In sum, while I may appreciate more than you (the doubtful reasons) why transgender people reason that identifying traditionally is not right for them, our real difference may not be the correct ontology about transgenders, but about how a democracy should most wisely handle the deeply differing beliefs among a diverse society. Again, I don’t see what’s irrational about the alternative rationale I supported.
Norm, no one questions it skyrocketed during Obama’s term (or Bush’s, who wouldn’t budget or pay for Iraq). But what I challenged was your contention that the rate DECREASED under Trump. You insisted this graph shows that.
Pointing out as I agreed that it rose under Obama does nothing to show that. As far as I can see, it’s way out of date, but projects the deficit trees growing to the skies under Trump.
You are correct and I was wrong.
Just who is this guy?
Perhaps this book might help us, with this thread?
