The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

My experience is that this Reality TV kind of news Usually has catchy headlines,
and thus earns your regular enthusiasm about repeatedly posting Breitbart material.

Yes, why not hope Trump’s success can compare with Obama’s?

What’s new in the BBC today? :crazy_face:

And is this US passenger, from Z-Hell (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)? :crazy_face:

Trump’s defense team sliced & diced the Dems made up impeachment charges. They demonstrated 3 key points among many others

Ukraine received the javelins , they were not part of the aid held up for 5 weeks

The Ukrainians didn’t even know any aid was ever held up until there was an article in Political on Aug 29th & then they started contacting State Dept officials by e-mail & text. So they were not even aware of any supposed delay so how could they feel threatened or pressured.

Ambassador Sonderland presumed and assumed aid was held up because of a quid pro quo, he was never told that or overheard or received any direct conversation. He testified to this numerous times to the House.

What on earth do you mean by that comment, Bob? Is it simply a way of telling Dave that you disagree with him? You really need to explain how Obama out-performed Trump rather than simply say the equivalent of “my dad is better than your dad”. :pensive:

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Sorry I left you confused. The comparative success Dave suggested in context was electoral. That if Obama could win reelection with low job approval ratings, there’s good reason to hope Trump can also make a winning case.

Why would learning in August that their military aid had been frozen mean that Zelensky and Ukraine could feel no pressure to provide what Trump wanted?

Isn’t the evidence ample that they were deeply concerned about this and were thus scrambling to plan to meet his demands (before the evidence of Trump’s scheme was exposed)?

Why?? Because you can’t feel pressured if you don’t even know an issue even exists which would create any pressure.
Scrambling to meet his demands?? Where do you get your info from. They didn’t do anything and they deny there was any pressure and they only found out the very end of August, and only from Politico not from Trump.

Plus Trump has held up aid for many countries for many different reasons which he has repeatedly explained, not enough participation from other countries or various other reasons where he feels the USA is taken advantage of.

BTW the big issue previously was the javelins & how could Trump hold that up with Russia threatening to invade , but the javelins were not held up. That’s right the javelins that Obama never permitted were never held up. If Obama had allowed javelins then Russia might not have walked into Crimea.

This came from today’s Patheos Evangelical newsletter: :crazy_face:

This is a surprising story.

They certainly felt heavy pressure when they did at the least learn by August (as you admit) of his demand for continuing our support. Most of Trump’s reps testified they confirmed this demand to Ukraine, and that while Zelensky resisted doing it, he ended up scrambling to seek to satisfy Trump.

I got all my info from watching the sworn testimony presented. Besides the transcripts many indications of trying to appease him, after many discussions about what Trump demanded, they even scheduled a public appearance on CNN he’d insisted on to assure him about going after Biden.

I don’t know anyone who watched the testimony and cross examination who doubts any of these basic facts. Did you watch the hearings and the united testimony on this?

I work full time so I catch summaries here and there, but I watched Trump’s lawyers finally after months of attacks by the weasels Schiff/Nadler/Pelosi/Schumer & CNN & MSNBC etc , finally get the opportunity to defend Trump.
Keep in mind most Dems politicians equate someone’s opinion as equaling fact, so what factual action did Zelinsky take to satisfy Trump?

As I explained above, it ended up that he never did satisfy what Trump kept pressuring him for. Trump ended up withdrawing that demand and releasing aid only after his scheme to extort Ukraine had been exposed and he was threatened with congressional investigation of what he was caught doing.

But as I noted, after numerous discussions with Trump’s reps of what kind of announcement about investigations would satisfy his quid pro quo demand, Ukraine was told that just putting it in writing or in general terms would not release the aid. Thus Zelensky was so desperate to keep U.S. support for their war of survival, he agreed to schedule the demanded public TV announcement on CNN that he would go specifically after Biden (and only cancelled that extorted move when Trump’s efforts to bribe him were exposed before the CNN date).

True that. Barry did sent some blankets over however.
This abuse of power thing is just made up. Dems want to overturn 2016 and are already making excuses for 2020 - Schiff: "we cannot trust elections’ Oooooh…the American people cannot be trusted. Except maybe California (which explains a lot of the comments around here) and the East Coast.
Do Dems even LIKE Americans??

Hey for a good time, try this: Peter Schweitzer’s new book Profiles in Corruption. Those who are so heavily invested in Trump’s bad behavior should read about their current crop of progressive heroes. Gives a lot more perspective.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/01/25/the-grubby-corruption-of-our-power-elite/?fbclid=IwAR2nUBvYToenhIM92VmrMeKfnHfv3n5WQs_t7zG1tic18CvnrVdgaxFQGI4

Such sheer assertions do not answer any of the overwhelming contrary evidence. Most GOP senators don’t dispute the alleged facts, evidenced by the many who don’t feel totally intimidated who then can even openly declare that what Trump did was wrong, but not requiring impeachment. I appreciate these many conservatives who don’t play games regarding the undisputed events.

We need a song or two, to celebrate Trump’s “superstar” legal team. :crazy_face:

More trouble in the Middle East.

I did update my profile Avatar, to briefly state - what I’m about. And it’s covered in two, short sentences:

  • Zombie-Hell Town Crier

  • Aspiring Holy Fool; Yoga, Light, Zen & Red Road Traveler

And if you click the link, under the second bullet point - in the Avatar, guess what? You see an “allegedly outlandish” video, of a Christian (with the “alleged” gift of prophesy).

My two sentence summaries are short and to the point, like this guy. :crazy_face:

This is fabrication, the only testimony was various people giving their opinions about this or that. The actual players Trump and Zelensky both deny this. There was no scheme to extort Ukraine & as i said they only found out about a delay from Politico on 8/29 and received the aid very shortly afterwards.

Interesting scheme when the supposed victim of extortion is unaware of it.

Well, let me take a BBC pulse. :crazy_face:

And from the online, Weekly World News. Watch what you order, folks. :crazy_face: