The Evangelical Universalist Forum

How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

What about the Rocklin story?? Is this a trend, in the educational system, that’s just the new normal? Do Liberals embrace it? Do you?

Thank you Dave, for your explanations. I think we are on pretty much the same page concerning most of these matters. I, also, abhor age-inappropriate “sex education” and promotion of LGHBQZJPDVCKNXF (and whatever other letters I may have omitted). I also believe in non-controlling government that respects the individual and supports free enterprise and equal opportunity for all. I consider myself socially conservative in moral matters such as opposing abortion (particularly partial-birth “abortion”, which is actually infanticide) and not supporting homosexuality, while being a bit leftist in agreeing to government support of those needy persons who are willing to work, but do not have the opportunity (or in many cases the ability, due to health factors). I also believe in socialized medicine such as we have here in Canada. Without it I would have been bankrupt long ago.

Also I believe in a complete revamping of the money system. The present system in both our countries is based on debt. Money comes into existence as debt. When debt is repaid, that money goes out of existence. If somehow, all debt in our countries were paid, there would be no money left with which to purchase goods and services. The money in existence ought to BALANCE the goods and services available. That’s how most people think our present money system works, but that is not the case.

Thanks Don! I agree with you on those important things.

Yes, I know I link to some conservative sites. The reason is - they more often than not tell it like it is. And very very seldom do I hear any intelligent answers (from other types of sources) challenging them on the facts.
I’m not taking sides.
Consider for instance the following analysis of racism in the Democratic National Committee. There are facts all through the article, and I haven’t seen the BBC or any other trusted news source even comment on these things. Hatred for Trump or Trump’s hair overrides things that I consider to be truly alarming. This is a good article full of stuff that you don’t know. Is it worth knowing?

frontpagemag.com/fpm/267674/ … hn-perazzo

Ironically Trump did something to significantly undercut Russia and it barely been reported because it doesn’t fit the MSM agenda. Trump initiated the sale of natural gas to Poland which depends on Russia now for fuel. These sales of NG may lead to NG sales to Ukraine and other Eastern European countries as well as Germany. All the countries depend on Russia for fuel. Additionally Trump initiated sales of NG to India which has 20% of the world’s population. These sales actually are economically important to us and they are critical to the customers and they represent a subtle shift of power away from Russia and these events are occurring in the world of reality as opposed to the collusion story.

Well, I look at things this way. An intelligent person or person, will sort out - the wheat from the shaft. Reminds of of a jury trial, I just came from. Everyone in the jury, had some experience to contribute. And we all make the right decision - I believe.

I think you need to really look at things - from different perspectives. Like we did, in the jury trial. Or like here. I share things from the Calvinist site Got Questions. And they provide answers to Biblical questions. But they also provide commentary - from a Calvinist respective. Obviously, folks here have other perspectives. Many I would label as “non-traditional” or “minority viewpoints”. And if they search hard enough, they will probably find an outlet - for their viewpoints.

And here’s the thing. There were very expensive and good lawyers, representing both sides. And one side was very good at emotional persuasion. And the use, of what I call “stage theatrics”. Kind of like in the film, Now You See me at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_Me_(film). and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_Me_2

But in the end, we pieced together what happened. Actually, I had a dream - where I woke up, in the middle of the night. And I saw, how the puzzle - should be worked out. And everyone was in accord, with my “understanding”. And all had their own experiences, to add input to the equation. And everyone in the jury - reached “independent” conclusions. All in he same line - of understanding.

Now back to news stations. The question to ask, is this:

CNN probably caters to left wing folks.
Fox News caters to right wing folks.
The BBC News, caters to a global audience. See article bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2015/combined-global-audience. Where the 2015 estimate, is over 308 million.
Etc.

If you really want “objectivity”, you need to view multiple sources - like I do. BBC, CNN, Fox News, Etc.

Mr. Trump should be excited, he is getting so much coverage. It just goes to show you, that he is newsworty. :smiley:

CNN probably caters to left wing folks.
Fox News caters to right wing folks

CNN Probably??? It’s their business model, not even a secret!

. And we all make the right decision - I believe.

Hang em high!

. Obviously, folks here have other perspectives. Many I would label as “non-traditional” or “minority viewpoints”. And if they search hard enough, they will probably find an outlet - for their viewpoints.

Some viewpoints i consider hard to process but i have come to be more understanding of what i used to consider as simply crazy viewpoints.

Well, back to the trial. Now that I can legally talk about it. But I’ll give no real names - to protect the innocent.

A woman has an IRA. It’s worth about 400 K. And she has a son and daughter. Both have been a part of her life - for many years. But she gets sick and eventually dies of cancer. And the brother has a lawyer visit her and gets a power of attorney signed. And the attorney calls 2 witnesses - for the signature. Then the sisters share of the IRA - around 200 K - is signed over via an Ipad electronic signature.

And we see the brothers family take the stand. The wife crying at the good relationship, she had with her mother-in-law. And the 10 and 15 year old child, telling how they liked there grandma. And the defense lawyer, making all kinds of objections. All these things are very theatrical.

And you can draw your own conclusions. Like you do in the news media. Regardless of right wing or left wing.

But here’s what’s missing folks. And I’ll fill in the blanks.

The brother’s wife testified regarding bible study - with the mother-in-law. Well, this means she is a Christian. And a Christian doesn’t just throw the daughter aside, for no reason whatsoever.
Well, most folks can guess, what passwords people normally use. Or elderly folks share these passwords, so folks can help them out. So the brother could easily guess the password or already have it. But it this is a legitimate transaction, it should be handled - in the same manner as the power of attorney. You have the same or different attorney, come to visit the mother. They also are a notary republic. And they get 2 independent witnesses - from the hospital or nursing home. And bring a printed form to sign. This wasn’t done. Why not? When we are talking about a 200 k difference
Next you have the testimony of the sister. And she is a practicing Catholic - of many years. Well, a lie of this magnitude - is a mortal sin. And this would put a Catholic into deep trouble - upon a sudden death.
Then, the brother tells the sister and wife - not to visit the mother. It’s her wishes. Why didn’t they try harder, as the defense attorney asks? Because folks have different personality types. The sister and her husband, are passive personalities. The brother is an aggressive one or I believe the word is type A
Then the brother has said some statements, where he knew what he was doing. Like when he said, “I took my share” - to put the down payment, on a new house. He knows what’s going on.
Etc.

So the key is to pay attention. Look for what is NOT in the picture. NOT what a particular commentator or news agent - tells you. Or a particular attorney - tells you. Or even what a witness says.

Ask: What is wrong with the picture they are painting?

As to the OP, here’s someone actually worth your time reading.

frontpagemag.com/fpm/267676/ … d-horowitz

Sorry, Dave. I’m NOT very sympathetic, to all the BAD press - President Trump receives. And supporters - like yourself - have to find good articles, to bail him out.

All he needs to do is ACT presidential. How does he do that?

Read the speeches your speech writer writes
Follow the advice and counsel, of your public relations and marketing team
Have a social media professional, send out your tweets.

Same goes for the 53 year old lady, who claimed the largest US lottery prize. You jumped the gun too soon.

Did you consult an attorney?
Did you consult a financial adviser or advisers?
Did you consult an accountant?

In some states, you can be anonymous - in receiving a lottery prize.

So both President Trump and the lottery lady, have one thing in common. They are not listening, to professional advice and counsel.

The one thing most people lack - is wisdom. And it is prized very highly, in the Jewish, Christian, Native American spiritual and Buddhist traditions. And God promises to provide it - in the Christian scriptures - to those who ask.

The one thing most people lack - is wisdom. And it is prized very highly, in the Jewish, Christian, Native American spiritual and Buddhist traditions. And God promises to provide it - in the Christian scriptures - to those who ask.

James 1:5 - New International Version - If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Spot on dude! :smiley:

The one thing most people lack - is wisdom. And it is prized very highly, in the Jewish, Christian, Native American spiritual and Buddhist traditions. And God promises to provide it - in the Christian scriptures - to those who ask.

James 1:5 - New International Version - If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

Spot on dude! :smiley:

So nice i thought i would say it twice! (Walt Frazier)

Okay, you did not read the article, which was not a defense of Trump - and Randy once again - I am NOT a supporter.
Really if you are going to criticize something, read it.

And one more time - maybe listen and learn: I am not defending Trump. We’ve been over this.

Part of wisdom is listening to those smarter and more experienced: so I referred to David Horowitz’s piece. You would learn something.

Just look at the article title you posted, Dave:

First of all, to put something in all capital letters, means THE PERSON IS SHOUTING AT YOU. NOT delivering an “objective” lecture or article. See

How Capital Letters Became Internet Code for Yelling. And why we should lay off the all-caps key

I am NEITHER a fan, of anti-right nor anti-left propaganda. No matter what the “expert’s” qualifications are.

There would be LESS articles like this - if Trump acts more Presidential. Which essentially is following what Mike Pence, his speech writers, social media consultants, and PR and marketing folks - have to say.

Normally, these “experts” write things to appease the left, his supporters and the Republicans. He may NOT appeal to ALL. But he can give the APPEARANCE - he appeals to all.

Like the illusionists in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_Me_(film) and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_Me_2

For the record, I don’t side with either the “left” nor the “right”. Both have their good and bad points. And they will be in battle, until the end of time. :wink:

Normally, these “experts” write things to appease the left, his supporters and the Republicans. He may NOT appeal to ALL. But he can give the APPEARANCE - he appeals to all.

He could and i wish he would but he won’t as should be clear by now. So one should look past his personality and decide if his policies are beneficial. I like his policies a lot more then i personally like him and i think his policies are spot on. I’m looking forward to 3% annual economic growth which is after 8 years of Obama never achieving 2% growth! Doesn’t sound like much of a difference but in fact is a 50% increase.

To be fair to you and Dave, I point folks to the Wiki article at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz. While he did live in the other side (i.e. left, like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand)…the WIki article, also has an interesting section entitled Controversy and criticism.

Anyway, I won’t be able to respond to comments - until tomorrow. Tonight Killjoys and Dark Matter, are airing on syfy.com/scifi. I am happy to say, that these are nerdy, science fiction shows. That have no redeeming value - whatsoever.

I’ll also monitor the weather channel - for hurricane updates. And see how President Trump - handles the crisis - in the days that follow. And get “objective” commentary, from CNN, Fox News and the BBC.

Let me get back, to the nerd and geek party. :laughing:

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So the end result is: All the facts Horowitz presented, and has been presenting for many years concerning Leftists (not liberals) mean nothing, because you hate Trump’s hair??

Why are none of you - except for one or two - deeply troubled by the corruption that calls itself the Left? Is it because you have not taken the time to even examine it? Read Horowitz, or go to frontpagemag.com, listen to Rush Limbaugh (who has not said a hateful remark in the years I"ve listened to him). Read Victor Davis Hansen. victorhanson.com/
Educate yourself. You’'re all smart guys. Read something other than stories dictated by the Left and given to the papers to print - which was admitted to be the case by Obama’s guy whose name escapes me now - not Gruber, he was the one caught on tape saying that Obamacare counted on the stupidity of the American people in order to get passed. Just as offensive.

I care about my country, America, just like you care about yours. Right now, mine is in huge trouble, and trouble’s name is not Trump (bad as he is) - but it is Leftism. Do you know that?