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How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper

This is probably the same Victor David Hansen at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson. If not, then let me know.

I’m familiar with what the “left wing propagandists” and “right wring propagandists” - no matter “how educated” or “with outstanding credentials” - normally have to say. I just don’t jump on either bandwagon, as you and Steve might - with the “right wing propagandists” .

And if I watch the “expert panelists”, on BOTH CNN and Fox News … don’t I receive a sampling, of both the “left wing propagandists” and “right wring propagandists” perspectives?

Now let me throw out a “hypothetical” question - I have pondered recently. Is it possible?

To have “salvation”,as defined by the Christian faith (taken into account, the differences in Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant perspectives)?
To have “enlightenment”, as folks in the East - see it?
And to “walk in balance” - as folks in Native American spirituality - see it?

And if the “hypothetical” answer is “yes”, then wouldn’t such a person see things, in an entirely different perspective?

But I honor the fact, regarding how you and Steve - see things. Just as I honor the fact, that some folks here…see things via “non-traditional” or “minority” theological viewpoints.

Recently, I was a jurist - in a trial. The defense presented a very compelling defense. Full of emotional appeal and stage theatrics. The plaintiff’s attorney was logical and straightforward. But I was able to see through, the emotional and stage theatrics stuff. And so did the rest - of the jurists. People are usually more perceptive - then folks give them credit for.

Perhaps some of these “Right Wing experts”, can comment on the BBC story - I’ve shared today on Twitter: :laughing:

Is Canada’s official residence in Ireland haunted?

So the end result is: All the facts Horowitz presented, and has been presenting for many years concerning Leftists (not liberals) mean nothing, because you hate Trump’s hair??

Anyone notice how Leftists are brilliant about continually creating new issues and gripes to get people worked up about. Now it’s the confederate statues but expanding this to include Columbus and Jefferson and Washington and others. Almost out of thin air these issues seemingly pop up on a regular basis and then the MSM fans the flames.
What happened to transgender bathrooms, is this not a compelling issue anymore or did it serve it’s purpose?

Antifa violence against an Anti-Hate Rally. Just brilliant.
"The Washington Post is currently a social justice blog dedicated to virtue signaling social justice memes and bringing down the President. So it takes a lot for a headline like this to run.

But here it is.

“Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley.”

Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about a 100 anarchists and antifa — “anti-fascist” — barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering…

A pepper-spray wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifas, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself. A conservative group leader retreated for safety behind a line of riot police as marchers chucked water bottles, shot off pepper spray and screamed “fascist go home!”
-Greenfield

Refresh my memory, Dave. As this thread is sooooooo looooong. Isn’t the Washington Post, a favorite publication - of you and Steve. :laughing:

Well, this came to me today, from the Protestant site Patheos.

Trump Will Not Save You

It should be noted, that the author - like myself - was NEITHER a supporter of Trump or Hillary. And if we can have “left wing propaganda” and “right wing propaganda” - on this forum. We can also have “evangelical propaganda”. :laughing:

You can’t find the truth by taking what the Left says and the Right says and splitting the difference.

Oh yeah - what did you think about the Antifa article above, Randy.
What does anyone else here think?

Facts are stubborn things.

I never spit the difference, Dave. And I haven’t read the article yet. Too much involves my time these days. Full time on social media. Dabbling in a few languages. Contemplation. Etc. And even commenting here.

Just as you and Steve are probably busy. Reading and watching, all that “right wing” stuff. :wink:

Just as you and Steve are probably busy. Reading and watching, all that “right wing” stuff. :wink:

I’m busy all day watching cartoons! Right wing, left wing, a bird needs two wings to fly!

True. But neither will you find the truth by placing your total support behind one of the two, in conjuction with total opposition to the other.

Of course; and I hope none of us do that.

from Mark Steyn:
"The left is quite explicit: Borders are fascist and racist, and thus the organizing principle of the world for the last four centuries - the nation state - is an illegitimate concept. The globalist establishment is not that upfront about it: they’re more of the view, publicly, that the nation state is an obsolescent and increasingly irrelevant concept. This is, in fact, “burning the Constitution”, and even the very concept of constitutions, and of the Peace of Westphalia - for the two most fundamental aspects of any state are borders and citizenship. If there are no borders, there are no citizens, only competing tribes of identity politics - like Dreamers. And, if , as his name surely suggests, a Dreamer trumps a citizen, and if anyone on the planet is a potential American, then American citizenship is objectively worthless.

Words matter. Which is why seeing too many of the conservative commentariat meekly swallow the open-borders crowd’s framing of the issue is so dispiriting. In this case, the Dream is a nightmare - of the end of nations, and of ordered societies."

I think that BOTH the left wingers and right wingers - are forging the emergence, of an eventually zombie apocalypse. :wink:

I think that BOTH the left wingers and right wingers - are forging the emergence, of an eventually zombie apocalypse. :wink:

I imagine zombies to be centrists , taking the best of right and left and making it into Zombie pie!

Ah well, you’re both missing the serious point: the danger of hackers taking over sex robots:

foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/11/ … warns.html

Well, since this seems :confused: to be a bit of a political thread, I have to say that Bannon’s 60 minutes interview was interesting! :smiley:

I have yet to see the interview, hoping it will be re-broadcast.

Another reason for putting the brakes on immigration:

zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-1 … ts-arrived

Does this immigration stop also include Zombies, Dave?

Not unless they rape young girls at the same rate of the Muslim immigrants in Sweden.

I’m not sure what your reference is to, but the zombies are… well what they are. Tell me about the Sweden thing…

As usual, the zombie thing overrode the Swedish thing, which is right above the zombie thing. We;ll all have to start using zombie things to get attention to short posts, I reckon…

Sorry, I did not realize the link was what you were talking about. Looked at it. Gotta say, where I come from, the guy would be facing some serious consequences, but Sweden… well is :laughing: Sweden