How To Live Under An Unqualified President by John Piper


I stand corrected. Just found this from John Piper in “The Satisfied Soul” devotional in the chapter:

Terrorism, Justice, and Loving our Enemies:

But it does not compromise this truth to say that God should also be glorified as the one who governs the world and delegates some of His authority to civil states. Therefore, some of God’s divine rights as God are given to governments for the purposes of restraining evil and maintaining social order under just laws. This is what Paul means when he writes: “There is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God…(This authority is) God’s servant for your good…he does not bear the sword in vein. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.” (Romans 13:1-4).
God wills that human justice hold sway among governments and between citizens and civil authority. He does not prescribe that governments always turn the other cheek. The government does not bear the sword in vein. Police have the God-given right to use force to restrain evil and bring lawbreakers to justice. And legitimate states have the God-given right to use force to restrain life-threatening aggression and bring criminals to justice.
Therefore, we will magnify the mercy of God by praying for our enemies to be saved and reconciled to God. At the personal level we will be willing to suffer for their everlasting good and we will give them food and drink. We will put away malicious hatred and private vengeance. But at the public level we will also magnify the justice of God by praying and working for justice to be done on earth, if necessary through wise and measured force from God ordained authority.


Bishop Barron likes Jordan Peterson’s new book “12 Rules for Life”



I have no trouble, with a CEO firing people. But I do with HOW they might fire people. Announcing a NEW position head on Twitter, before you officially fire a person - is NOT standard protocol. And firing an FBI head, a week before they collect a pension - is usually NOT standard protocol.

I think he needs some, of the Peter Popoff - miracle spring water. :laughing:


One of my favorite by Jordan Peterson on having existential terror or “The Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom”. Evangelical Universalism doesn’t stand up under the facts. Existential terror of breaking the law produces humility:



Again, Evangelical Universalism doesn’t fit the facts. As Jonathan Edwards has stated “Admit your vileness”



At the Edina School District in Edina, Minnesota, all employees, even bus drivers, must take “Equity and Racial Justice Training” instructing them that “dismantling white privilege” is at the core of the district’s mission. They must acknowledge their racial guilt, and embrace the district’s “equity” ideology.

Even though i think Leftists are wrong about almost everything they are amazingly talented at coming up with bizarre issues and convincing half the population that these issues make sense! :unamused:


The ‘core’ of their mission - dismantling white supremacy. The Core!! :cry: :cry: :unamused: :unamused:


Evangelical Universalism is the left. They deny God’s protection of His children against the wicked in hell. If God is love then He must hate evil. Those in hell have their hearts separated from all mercy. As a result it hardens. God’s justice protects the sheep from the goats as God is glorified.


Again, Evangelical Universalism is false. For years they criticized John Piper on his views of masculinity. But Jordan Peterson agrees with John Piper:



Well, I think it is the way of dictators. Hitler got rid of the people who didn’t agree with him. So did Stalin, and many other dictators.


Well - ‘got rid of,’ in their cases meant a brutal death.
'You’re fired!" is a Faaaaaaaaar cry from that, wouldn’t you agree?
And why would he keep his enemies in his employ?
I think you are maybe a wee bit too hard on the man.


It’s ALL a matter of perspective. I think the Mafia has (and still does), promise a job for life. THINK ABOUT IT :exclamation: :laughing:


Evangelical Universalism relies on “It’s just your interpretation”. They’re liberal postmodernists in morality and truth. Again Peterson disproves this postmodern social Marxism of evangelical universalists:



What has Trump been doing to end the kind of stuff you mentioned? From here it looks like all Trump’s done is increase our dependence on fossil fuels, allow ISPs to sell user browsing history, open up public lands for resource extraction, and sign a debt-increasing tax cut…


I went through a phase where I was part of Peterson’s cult following. Thank God I saw the light and left. I recommend you read this … we-deserve


Thanks qaz. Let the record show that I don’t agree with everything Peterson says just the above videos.


Well, like many threads here. Some have no definitive answer - all can agree on. Like:

Is Trump good or bad - for the US and the world?
Is Pantelism true or not?
Is there free will or no free will - in universalism

And my, ALL TIME FAVORITE. Did the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse occur in 70 AD? Or sometime in the future?


Well, I have a definite answer to all three, though you are right—not everyone agrees.

Is Trump good or bad - for the US and the world? BAD

Is Pantelism true or not? NOT

Is there free will or no free will - in universalism? THERE IS FREE WILL


You are correct on one answer, incorrect on one, and the remaining one is kinda up in the air.
Overall, not tooooo bad, Don!! :laughing:


I definitely don’t agree with EU. It’s wishful thinking along with Pantelism. God’s holy hatred destroys the sinner in hell. But after judgment comes resurrection. Like Christ on the cross. God’s wrath is terrible and painful. It’s all through the Bible. And since creation tells us something about it’s artist, nature tells us that God is capable of severe wrath and pain. The Bible and nature agree. It’s the same God revealed in both. So, I’m a Christian Universalist who believes in free will. When those in hell are resurrected from the fire they will have a new nature. No desire for sin remains. They will freely come to God because they want to. They will be like God in that it will be impossible for them to sin. With no desire at all for sin they will choose what they most want - love for God and each other.