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I asked Muslims about their Opinion about after life!

Eric you’ll be in my thoughts and prayers friend. It must be so difficult living in Iran at the moment (although I did once meet a young woman who was a Christian and had worked in both Iran and Saudi Arabia and she said she far preferred Iran. I think you are really brave and unselfish - in the situation you are in - coming on here and giving encouragement and advice to other Universalist Christians.

Blessings to you my brother

Dick :slight_smile:

And how do they think this doesn’t just as easily “make God out to be a great torturer”?? :confused:

Me, too. :slight_smile:

yes I love to push them out of doctrine of hell, and here i didn’t find Muslim universalist, may be in future,
they saying punishment after death is temporary, and for after resurrection forever, this is my battle with them

In a sense they will get quite a lot of witness from you seeing you for the loving-kind man that you are - that probably speak as much as many words. Also check out Christus Victor atonement theory. Muslims often seem to think that all Christians believe in PSA - but that’s not true. And Christus Victor is more easy for them to understand - although it deeply challenges Muslim ideas about what God’s Victory consists of.

Eric if I lived round the corner from you there is a book I’d love to lend you. It is ‘At the Entrance of the Garden of Eden – A Jew’s search for God with Christians and Muslims in the Holy Land’ by Yossi Klein Halevi. Yossi is an American Jew, Zionist and a man with an open and loving heart. He goes to Israel in search of another story to the one that get’s paraded in the simplified stuff of the apocalyptic pot boiler writers of both the Left and the Right (and of various religious persuasions). He meets and makes friends with a Palestinian Sufi Sheikh – this Sheikh feels that it is his role to give the Jews a welcome home from his heart and from the heart of God. He is in much demand as an exorcist to free people from a crippling spirit of hate. Yossi also spend time among the Armenian community in Jerusalem and makes friends with a seminarian named Karen (a male name in Armenian I gather). He speaks with great compassion of the Aremnian genocide and of how it got covered up because it was overtaken by a bigger genocide with the Shoa/Holocaust – but I understands at least a million people were slaughtered, and millions of other displaced in this. He observes with penetrating insight how the political parties in Israel of both the left and the right have been complicit in the cover up of the Armenian genocide so as not to offend their trading partner Turkey. He also spends time with the Community of the Beatitudes – a Catholic Charismatic community who exist to love the Jews in service and to somehow atone for Christian anti-Semitism. The women in the community – that live in a sectarian orthodox Jewish area – are often spat at by men who believe in the seclusion of women; and the women react by returning a blessing.

God’s peace to all people of good will

Dick

I always thought it would be epic if Pope Benedict, upon retiring, would go into Iran or somewhere to do something similar with a chosen set of monks, as ambassadors of peace. :slight_smile:

Thanks :wink:

my wish is to see you all one day in the Kingdom of God

And I look forward to that very much too Eric :smiley: And more to the point I hope you find some universalist Christians in Iran - never mind the Muslims. I’m sure they exist too but I’m not sure where.

Eric you sent me a message asking for my advice about what an ECT Christian had written to you and then you deleted it after second thoughts. There was absolutely nothing wrong with your message :slight_smile: - all perfectly OK and polite. I would have been happy to answer it.

However, I reckon you should ask the people on site more generally about what the person wrote. It all seemed very angry and twisted up to me. You will get good answers here to what the person wrote.

Why not start another thread and tell us what was said to you and what has worried you.

I think people will be aware that English is not your first language. They will be loving and have good manners about this.

Blessings friend

Dick :slight_smile:

Oh I see you’ve already done it :laughing: :laughing:

Great minds think alike

Two heads are better than one - and several heads can sometimes be even better :smiley:

I post the message to 5 people, Dick, the first one who answered me was Cindy, then she told me to put it in Discussion Negative, thats why I deleted them, thanks :smiley:

Eric if you are ever concerned about your position as a Christian in Iran an organisation named Release International seems pretty good to me - it helps Christians under persecution or whose liberties are otherwise curtailed. Their website is at -

releaseinternational.org/iran/

  • and the page on Iran is informative and talks about Armenian Christians specifically. (I think its presentation of the Shah could be a bit more nuanced - he was not simply a wonderful freedom loving ruler in my view. However, the analysis of the position of Christians in Iran seems balanced; persecution happens at a certain level but it is not like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia despite the brutal implementation of Shariah law and the authoritarian theocracy. Also I like the sites page condemning religious hatred). Just a thought - you might find it useful to have a peep sometime.

Blessings and prayers

Dick :slight_smile:

Thanks, Dick. they have problems with their people becoming Christians, but not with us, they don’t convince us
to change our religion, even some of them like Christians better than each other, :laughing:

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The Devil’s Redemption by Michael McClymond has a chapter on Islamic Universalism (Vol.2, p.1105-1123). He states: “Islam is well known for teaching all human beings are destined to go either to heaven (paradise) or else to hell (the fire). What is more, mainstream Islamic teaching insists not only on the eternity of heaven but also on the eternity of hell…What is not so well known is that some of the best-known representatives of Islamic mysticism or Sufism presented teachings on the afterlife that significantly departed from this consensus view” (p.1105).

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