The Evangelical Universalist Forum

I think I'm on my way back out of Christianity

(sigh)

Andre, who has said that you are a worse sinner than they are? Who has said (in effect, as Pilgrim pseudo-quoted) “Andre is suffering more than me because he is a bigger sinner than me”, or “the sin in his life is clearly more than in my life because I exude the joy of the Lord”?

And if Pilgrim is right that there is only a small minority who have replied this way, why bother listening to them anyway? Or if you’re rightly ignoring them, why be burnt out in regard to what the majority (represented by Pilgrim) are saying?

We’re trying to encourage you:

(1) that God loves you (and everyone else) despite your (and everyone else’s) sins, even to the extent of sacrificing Himself;

(2) to keep on cooperating with God in opposing your sins, like everyone is expected to do (no one else here being excepted from that);

and

(3) not to despair if you do get tired opposing your sins (as all of us sometimes do), because (1) is still true. God doesn’t get tired opposing our sins because He loves us.

The only people who have to worry about being punished by God (unless some ultra-universalists are correct and God punishes no one at all, or no one anymore), are people who consciously and persistently refuse to be saved from their sins. That’s very different from just getting tired opposing your sins, or losing individual attempts at resisting your sins.

Now, if you’re expecting us to tell you that sin simply doesn’t matter and God doesn’t care about sin, or that whatever you’re afflicted with isn’t a sin–well, maybe it isn’t a sin after all! I’m afflicted with near-sightedness, but that isn’t a sin (even though practically speaking I still have to struggle against it in various ways, sometimes for the sake of people other than myself, too). But we won’t (or anyway we shouldn’t) tell you that God simply doesn’t care about sin. He isn’t going to let sin stop Him from loving you, so in that sense He “doesn’t care” about it. But He does care about sin (or putting it another way He cares against sin), and He expects you and all the rest of us, Christian and non-Christian, to oppose our sins along with Him. He isn’t going to judge you or me or anyone else as though we have no difficulties in doing so, but He does expect us to at least set our faces against what we see to be our sins, even if at the moment that’s the best we can do.

If you’re looking for someone to tell you that there is no such thing as sin, so whatever you feel like doing don’t worry about it: no, most Christians aren’t going to tell you that, nor (when it comes right down to it) most non-Christians either. If you’re burnt out on “Christianity” saying there’s such a thing as sin that we’re expected to be responsibly concerned about in regard to ourselves, you might as well move along to a popular type of loose Buddhism (for example) that negates all moral concerns in principle so you can feel more comfortable about yourself.

But if you’re burnt out on your sins, there’s no point blaming Christianity or Christians for that. Everyone gets burned out on their sins, sometimes; and burning out more often than some other people do doesn’t mean you’re a worse person. It might even mean you’re a better person than some other people who don’t care enough to be burnt out on their own sins! :slight_smile:

I was going by what Pilgrim said. If he was correct or not really doesn’t bother me. I doesn’t bother me if someone did really say or hinted or alluded that I was a greater sinner; I’m not insulted nor do I feel rebuked.

I’ve had enough of Christianity. Guess that’s all that needs to be said here; no reason to hang around bitching about it.

Fair enough; God’s grace to you then. :slight_smile:

“May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand.”

There would really times you think you are alone and you want to let go everything that you are doing… you want to change everything… you want to explain everything but you don’t know where to start…you think life is unfair… but friend there is always a new day… I understand it is really sad to know that everyone turned their backs on you…but hold on to God… He is still in control…

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