Malachi 4:3 doesn't that promote annihilation


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sorry if this is in the wrong forum but I’m new here

3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

I believe in UR but this verse is tricky :question:


Annihilation theory...verses answered
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1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the LORD Almighty.

In context this passage is simply an encouragement to live righteously. When the fire of judgment comes, the righteous will rejoice, but the wicked will see their lives go up in smoke, come to realize that everything they’ve invested their lives in is worthless, not lasting. And the righteous will ultimately be proven to be right, the wise ones who built their lives upon the rock, and did not suffer destruction.

Metaphorical language should be interpreted metaphorically, not literally.

Blessings,
Sherman

P.S. I noticed that this was your first post. Welcome, and I look forward to getting to know you.


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The following is from another website. A UR response to some verses of Scripture posted by an annihilationist:

To prove that you need at least one Bible verse where anyone is not just annihilated but annihilated forever (or the equivalent). Since no such Scripture exists in the 66 books of God, endless annihilation is not according to God’s Word.

None of the verses you listed support your viewpoint:

Nothing in Gen.3:22 says Adam (or anyone else) will get endless annihilation.

To the contrary all will get life, justification & righteousness:

Rom.5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

The bodies of the people of Sodom were made “ashes” & destroyed. Not their souls and spirits.

Also their bodies (“ashes”) will be resurrected back to life. So clearly they have not been endlessly annihilated.

Additionally, verse 9 says:

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished

Where the Greek word for “punished” can mean correction for the good of the offender.

Nothing in 2 Pet.2:5-6 says Love Omnipotent will administer endless annihilation to any person. Next:

By quoting this Scripture you haven’t even begun to prove that Love Almighty will endlessly annihilate anyone.

Scripture shows that destruction can be reversed:

Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men. (Psa. 90:3)

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” (Jn.2:19)

Scripture shows that destruction can be a good thing:

hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord (1 Cor.5:5)

These are the words of a man, Eliphaz the Temanite, speaking to Job. They say nothing about endless annihilation. Sodom did perish & was consumed by fire from God, yet will be resurrected & restored (Ezek.16:48,53,55). They were not annihilated forever.

The - way - of the ungodly shall perish. Their “way” is sin. When sin perishes from the universe, all will be saved.

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! (Jn.1:29)

That speaks of men dieing in their sins. It says nothing of what happens in the afterlife.

Everyone sins: For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom.3:23)

Do all souls, then, die? As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins (Eph.2:1).

The context of Exekiel 18 is speaking of death under the law, e.g. stoning for certain sins. It says nothing about afterlife punishment or final destiny.

The word “perish” in this context refers to physical bodily death in this lifetime, & says nothing about the fate of souls in the afterlife:

1Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4“Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem?

Under the law certain offenses were “worthy of death”, not endless annihilation.

This verse does not say anyone will be annihilated forever. Neither does it say anyone will never do the will of God.

Eventually all will get life, justification & righteousness:

Rom.5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Those who reject Christ in this life & the afterlife will go to “hell” till they repent & are saved.

12 Now these, as irrational animals, born naturally for capture and corruption, calumniating that in which they are ignorant in their corruption, also shall be corrupted (CLV)

Verse 9 says:

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished

Where the Greek word for “punished” can mean correction for the good of the offender.

Nothing in 2 Pet.2:12 says Love Omnipotent will administer endless annihilation to any person. Next:

The scriptures never speak of eternal or endless death. In fact death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

If something so horrific as endless death or annihilation were meant, God had words He could have used to express it, but didn’t. Such as “endless”, “no end”, “eternal”(aidios).
Since He never chose to use such words re the final destiny of any unbeliever, He didn’t teach endless annihilation or torments.

For the outcome of those things is death. (Rom.6:21b, NASB)
Those things result in death! (Rom.6:21b, NIV)

Even though you experienced the end (or result or outcome) spoken of as death in Romans 6:21, that result for you did not cause you to be endlessly annihilated, did it? And neither
will it for anyone else. For all will eventually be saved:

AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive (1 Cor.15:22)

1 Cor 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Souls are not made of “ashes”. So the reference to “ashes” tells us nothing about the fate of souls in the afterlife. The passage speaks of what will be on a day, “the day” (v.1), not for eternity.

Malachi 3:2-4 But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. "He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness. "Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.

Burned up does not mean endlessly annihilated out of existence. People are cremated, i.e. burned up, every day. Guess what? Everyone of them will be resurrected back to life. They were “burned up” but not annihilated out of existence forever.

For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense will be offered to my name, and a pure offering. For my name will be great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts. (Mal.1:11)

“…it doesn’t say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either.”

“The last enemy that shall be abolished is death” (vs. 26).

Death is abolished (v.26). God becomes All “in” all (1 Cor.15:28). Even in all who were in Adam (v.22).

“Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead.”

Pharoah flourished until God destroyed him. He will be resurrected, so is not destroyed for ever. Likewise with Sodom & the world in Noah’s day.

Psa.92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed AD(5704)AD(5703), “until” the “future”. Your translation didn’t even translate the word AD[5704]. It just left that word out, thereby changing the word of God. Shame!

7 The wicked bud like herbage, And all contrivers of lawlessness blossom, But only that they be exterminated until the future, (Psa.92:7, CLV)
studybible.info/CLV/Psalms 92

Psa.92:7 speaks of the wicked being destroyed, i.e. killed, put to death, “until” the “future”. Not “until” “forever”, which sounds like nonsense. Since all will be resurrected, we know from the Scriptures that they will not be dead “forever”.

Compare Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
For the Lord will NOT reject forever. Although he causes grief, he will have compassion according to the abundance of his steadfast love; for he does not willingly afflict or grieve ANYONE.