At least two English words have been used on this thread, “odain” and “commission” (and if ussage determins meaning, I fail to see the difference.)
I followed your links, and the basic meaning of the Greek words are “to set in place,” and “to make.”
Wouldn’t the making of a minister, and setting one in place mean pretty much the same thing?
So is there no modern Church then?
Is “The Church” just a relic of history?
And where is the disimilarity between what you hear in these words, and what “modern churchs would call ordination”?
Who does the ordaining (a “Bishop” distinct from the Elders, an Elder, or the congregstion) differs from communion to communion, but the basic method is the laying on of hands.
The most interesting N.T. occurences are the following:
Acts 13:1-3 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers, Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyre’ne, Man’a-en a member of the court of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.
Ac 14:23 - And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
1Ti 4:14 - Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you.
2Ti 1:6 - Hence I remind you to rekindle the gift of God that is within you through the laying on of my hands.
Titus 1:5 - For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you.
The questions that interest me are:
1.) Why would Paul and the other Apostles be led to visibly set up (or make) elders, by the laying on of their hands, if the Holy Spirit didn’t intend some visible line of succession to continue?
2.) If Paul commissioned Titus to appoint (ordain, make, set up) elders in every city, did this not set a precedent for these elders to follow (in appointing their own replacements–as Paul had appointed Titus, and Titus had appointed them)?
3.) If this practice was intended to continue, and did continue (from generation to generation), what was the mechanism?
Was it a special order of clergy (above ordinary elders of the Church), the elders of the Church, or “The Priesthood of All Believers” (which could perhaps be seen operating in Acts 13:1-3, and 1Ti 4:14)?
Whether you use the words “commission,” “ordain,” “appoint,” “make,” or “set,” it seems to me that these questions need to be answered.
And a bigger question would be whether it’s even possible to believe in the Bible (that Jesus came, set up His Church, and led Paul and the twelve to do the things discussed here) without believing in a Church that continues to exist (in some form) today?
I’d be very interested in any thoughts here.