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Review of Douglas Murrays' book The Strange Death of Europe

This book looks fascinating. I’ll be trying the library.
The review is entertaining.

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It’s more than entertaining if you live here.
Looks like an informative read. Enjoy.

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I picked it up at the library just now and will take it and a cigar and some good strong coffee out to the garden in a few minutes.
John I did not know, or I forgot, that you lived ‘over there’. Where?

I’m about 60 pages in, and so far I would say the above review is spot-on, as is the history and analysis in the book. It’s one I wish we could all read.

I live in Scarborough (the real one as in the fair) Yorkshire, England.
I’ve always found Douglas Murray to tell it as it is. We need more people like him.

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An absolutely fascinating interview with Douglas Murray:

I enjoyed that and learned some things. He is a thoughtful man.

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I’m about 1/2 way through the book - it’s been cold and rainy and I have no projects in the shop this week, so we stayed in, got comfy, and read most of the day. The kind of freedoms worth keeping imo.
America is tangentially and seldomly referred to in the book, which makes for a more interesting read. It’s all about Europe and the history of immigration into Europe (and touches on Australia as well - interesting) but the parallels of what Europe has been going through, ahead of us by 20 years or so, with what America is struggling with - those parallels are really instructive. He does not mention those parallels - maybe he will later in the book - but we who are living through the beginning of sorrows here can easily see the same mistakes in seed form that have had a benighting effect in Europe.
Really - if we don’t learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

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From the review, Murray writes about elites as if he isn’t one himself which given he attended one of the most expensive private schools in the UK (Eton) much like several Prime Ministers and other Government ministers, seems a little strange. I can understand why Murray feels strongly about homophobic attitudes in religion since he is gay something that would exclude him from many Evangelical churches in the US.

Anyway I’ll paste here a reply I pasted on another forum to a similar subject (where the person was talking about the Islamisation of the US):
Conservative Islam can only get a foothold in the US if the oligarchs want it to. They may allow it because any conservative religion is easily corrupted with the leaders selling out their faith and the interests and well-being of their flock for power and money. Just look at some Evangelical leaders for a prime example.

Thinking about it maybe the oligarchs are setting things up to allow conservative Islam to spread in the States. Why else do successive administrations, particularly Republican ones and including the current administration toady up to Saudi Arabia the main spreader of one of the most extreme forms of Islam (Wahhabism) against the national interest (as do British administrations)? It’s illogical unless another force is at work - that force is the oligarchs.

As for the US being finished (that’s what the commenter wrote to me), unless the population wrestle back control of the country from the oligarchs who dominate the Republicans and Biden wing of the Democrats, then with wealth and power concentrated in the hands of a few, the economy will certainly suffer and with it US dominance.

The media and tech are key here. The oligarchs control all the major newspapers and media outlets from CNN to Fox and they can buy social media ads to guide the populace to think exactly how they want them to think. They give people the impression that they have a choice and live in a democracy when in fact more and more they are tightly controlled and can only choose between the options the oligarchs allow. It’s much smarter than any propaganda in Nazi Germany, the USSR, N Korea or Saudi Arabia and if it weren’t so insidious and evil, one would have to stand back and admire the brilliance and effectiveness of their strategy, which amazingly still remains largely hidden.

I’m much more fascinated at the moment with the failures of Europe and the resulting and ongoing devastation of traditional European culture. I will continue to focus on that as I go through the book since that is the theme of the book. The US will have to learn from that failure, or we are probably doomed to imitate it. This is history, not political philosophy.
I think the USA is worth saving.

Europe is simply a collection of former empires. Empires come and go. There is nothing special about it. For example, Mexico was once more powerful than the US, now it isn’t. Denmark once had an empire but now is just a small country. All empires die because power and wealth get concentrated into the hands of a few. The thing that has changed is people are having fewer children. What’s interesting is that the descendants of immigrants such as the Turks who came to Denmark in the 60s have as few children as the ethnic Danes (I heard from a Danish colleague whose wife is a midwife).

Fear stories also come and go. At some time, Communism was the big scare story, now it’s Muslims. Next decade, it will be some other scapegoat.

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Whats happening in Europe is happening. It could have been avoided. I would have us avoid that if we can. Is that ok with you guys? Sounds like you want to roll over and die, with a sense of wordly-wise gravitas and a long sigh?
Is nothing worth saving?

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True. There were fear stories abounding about Germany in the 1930s. They’ve gone now, but so did many of our young men and over 6 million Jews.

True again. Do you know how many people have been slaughtered by Communist regimes (and are still being murdered to this very day).
And I don’t have the figures as to how many innocents have been brutally killed (or worse) in the name of Allah in the past two decades but the numbers are increasing.

Scapegoat? You’ve lost me now. Who exactly has been scapegoated?

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The past almost 2,000 years actually, but I get your point.
If anyone thinks that Communism is dead, a good education otherwise is to read David Horowitz. The C’s turned themselves into the progressive party in the 30’s. It’s a matter of public record, not conjecture. I am not blanketing the entire current ‘Progressive Party’ as being Communist; but the driving force has always been communist ideology. This is not a political statement, but an historical one.

But we digress from Murray. The force of the book, and the fairness with which the history is handled, cannot be gainsaid by ad hominem attacks or fin de siecle world weariness. Here’s why:

“With the right political and moral leadership this could all have worked out differently. Chancellor Merkel and her predecessors would not have been unsupported or unaided had they taken a different set of steps from the beginning.
They could have started by asking themselves the question Europe never did: should Europe be a place to which anybody in the world can move and call themselves at home? Should it be a haven for absolutely anybody in the world fleeing war? Is it the job of Europeans to provide a better standard of living in our continent to anybody in the world who wants it? To the second and third of these questions the European publics would have said ‘no’. (He has the sources for this claim). That is why the supporters of mass migration - who would have said ‘yes’ to all three - found it ‘convenient’ to elide the boundaries between those fleeing war and those fleeing something else. What, after all - such people asked - is the huge difference between being at risk from bomb and at risk from hunger”

Before you answer that too quickly, you should have read the 200 pages of the history of mass immigration in Europe and followed Murray as he traced out the destructive harvest that Europe has been facing and will for at least another generation.
Could we substitute ‘America’ for ‘Europe’ in his statement? Not yet - but we are heading there from all acounts.
A powerful book that is illuminating. Not fear-mongering, so you can stop that thought.

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Chancellor Merkel is a conservative. Conservatives and faux progressives want to drive down the cost of labour hence they talk about controlling immigration for votes while opening the floodgates in practice and destroying collective wage bargaining to support the oligarchy.

Every fear story has to be presented as existential to keep the population compliant to the will of the oligarchy.

I’m done with the book. A masterful treatment.

“Many of our coastal elites see nothing much exceptional in America, past and present. They prefer the culture and values of the European Union without worrying that the EU’s progressive utopian promises have been wrecked by open borders, economically stultifying regulations, and unapologetic and anti-democratic efforts to curb free expression and local autonomy.” - Victor Davis Hanson

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Well at least Europeans don’t have to worry about their kids being caught up in school shootings.

Meanwhile Europe has to deal with the consequences of the Wahhabism from Saudi Arabia that the US and UK oddly strongly support against their own and European interests.

Here is a chronological list of school shootings in Europe.

And that list does not include the 2011 Norway attacks by Anders Behring Breivik, in which an explosion killed eight people and injured at least 209 people, twelve severely, followed by the fatal gunning down of 77 individuals at a youth summer camp on the island of Utøya —which was therefore technically not a “school” shooting.

Denmark’s Social Democrats swept the polls on a platform that combines left-wing economics with immigration restrictionism, going so far as adopting a cap on the number of non-Western immigrants allowed into the country. It is becoming increasingly clear, said Social Democrat leader Mette Frederiksen, “that the price of unregulated globalisation, mass immigration and the free movement of labour is paid for by the lower classes.” Though they have since reneged somewhat on their populist promises, what matters most is that the people of Denmark approved of them.
In the Netherlands, Thierry Baudet of the Forum for Democracy affirms the “fundamental truth” that his people “have a right to exist,” to be “proud of their country and defend it.”

Australian evangelical Prime Minister Scott Morrison delivered a stunning upset at the polls, confirming fears of a “Trumpian uprising” in the Land Down Under. The pitchfork wielding plebs are fed up with mass immigration and with the bugmen in Sydney and Melbourne who are only too happy to see the jobs of the unwashed offshored.

In Finland, the anti-immigration, anti-climate action Finns Party is the country’s most popular political movement. “The eternal and unlimited right to always decide freely and independently of all of one’s affairs lies only and solely with the people, which forms a nation separate of others,” reads the Finn’s program.
In France, Marine Le Pen’s National Rally triumphed in the European elections. She subsequently called President Emmanuel Macon to dissolve parliament. “He has no other choice to dissolve the National Assembly and choosing a voting system that is more democratic and finally representative of the real opinion of the country,” she said. Macron, who fancies himself a Roman god, has bled.

In Italy, the nationalistic League emerged from the rubble of the European elections as the largest political party in that country. Its embattled leader, Matteo Salvini, now struggles against an establishment that promises to hold its ports open for the wailing refuse of Africa. Salvini is down, not out, and his platform resonates with the people.

Some 83 percent of Italian voters see refugees as a threat; 80 percent demand limits to the number of refugees and are against welcoming them with open arms. Salvini has tapped into a yearning for something that Italians feel in their bones, and whatever it is, it is not “democracy,” which somehow always seems to favor the oligarchs.

Across the pond, Nigel Farage was deemed the most dangerous man in Britain after his Brexit Party went from nonexistent to first place on the island. Now Prime Minister Boris Johnson may usurp Farage’s title, as he flirts with bypassing, or ignoring, legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced through parliament by Remainers. Brits are leaving Brussels in the rearview, one way or another, singing “England for the English!” all the way home.

The point is that nationalism has gotten a bad rap from globalist perspectives, but the globalist aims are not working, and are in fact helping to destroy cultures and economies.

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