Loren, Yes, John 10:16 is a really good one. I did a study on that this morning. Thank you for providing the “bread”.
I looked at other verses that shared the same theme as the one you provided.
First, looking at John 10:16 it is interesting that the “fold” that Jesus refers to is Israel. However, Jesus often goes out of His way to condemn the physical Israel and Jerusalem and the traditions of the people of the land.
I looked at Isaiah 56:8 next. “The Lord God which gathers the outcasts of Israel saith, ‘Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.’” The most obvious meaning would be a prophetic reference to the Jews and then the Gentiles being saved, as per Romans 1:16.
This is a problem, though, since Paul actively condemns works salvation which is the very substance of the Jewish faith.
Another explanation is that there are two Israels (I mean both Judah and Israel combined when I say Israel in this context) and thus two Jerusalems. The obvious one is the historical Israel. The other one is spiritual Israel. This is confirmed by Paul who says that the law is spiritual (Romans 7:14). If there is spiritual law, then there must be a spiritual kingdom where Jesus Christ is king. If this is the case then everything that is prophetic of Israel in the Old Testament is a reference to spiritual Israel unless otherwise indicated by text (which could be seen if one uses a lexicon to distinguish between the historical Jerusalem and New Jerusalem. Check out Dr. Stephen Jones’ teachings on this to confirm at gods-kingdom-ministries.net/.)
Anyways, when we apply the above concept to the verse in Isaiah, we see that the outcasts of Israel are really the elect of the kingdom, Christians saved in the first resurrection (that is a study for another time.) Nevertheless, we see that others are added to the kingdom of God. As already explained, this cannot simply be gentiles added to the Israelite nation but rather non-Christians added to the Kingdom of God. This is further confirmed in verse 6-7 where “sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keeps the Sabbath from polluting it, and takes hold of my covenant. Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for ALL people.” It is clear then that all can be accepted into the Kingdom. (However, it doesn’t mention whether they actually join or not. We’ll approach this later.) I could dissect this and explain each metaphor in context of Kingdom theology but I might just do that in a separate post. The key point is that God gathers non-Christians to Himself.
Discussion: The above wouldn’t really make any sense logically if God is saying that “potential” Christians are continually accepted into His kingdom but rather it is speaking of non-Christians who join the kingdom. The difference has to do with timing. Potential Christians are those who God choose to be saved before His Second Coming. Non-Christians, thus, are not saved in His Second Coming or in the general resurrection of the dead. Furthermore, they are the people who are going to Hell. Even in Hell, the hope of salvation is still extended to all. We know this because Revelation 21:24-25 says that the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into the Kingdom and that gates will never be shut since there will be no night there. The kicker is that the kings of the earth were already killed in the battle between the Beast and the King on the White Horse in Revelation
19:21. The only way kings could have came in is if there is post-millennial salvation. The gates of the kingdom will never be shut out to outsiders because the Light of Jesus never fails! Hallelujah!
The question then becomes will everyone walk through the pearly gates. I will do a case-study of Nineveh. There are 3 aspects to this study: Jonah, Nahum, and Jesus. Jonah preached to Nineveh and they repented (in 862 BC). Keep in mind, there were about 120,000 souls in Nineveh and all of them repented (Jonah 4:11, Jonah 3:10). We know that all of them repented since the king decreed everyone to repent. Nahum came along in 713 BC and then prophesied destruction over them which eventually happened in 612 BC (according to okapi.berkeley.edu/nineveh/timelines.html). Jesus came along in 32 AD or so and said “(the men of Nineveh) repented at the preaching of Jonah; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.” If Jonah, a mere man, converted 120000 souls to God then Jesus, who is infinitely loving and powerful, will convert all to Him. God has the power to do what He wants. If God wants everyone to be saved, then He shall have everyone saved. The kicker is that Nahum prophesied nearly 100% destruction on Nineveh. There’s very little there today (it’s near Mosul, Iraq.) It is clear then that all peopled will be saved but everyone of the world will face God’s judgement. There will little left of their souls after Hell. The ego will be subdued and Christ will reign triumphant. The soul and body will be taken captive under the Spirit.
Some may not be convinced that those who are not yet saved but will be saved refers to post-millennial salvation but those who are not saved yet in the Church, or Pentecostal, age (everything prior to the Second Coming and beginning with the upper room Pentecostal experience). Their viewpoint is supported by the fact that the epistles are not addressed to people outside of the church. Also, when we look at verses like 1 Peter 10:25 “For you were as sheep going astray; but are now returned to the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls”, we might come to the conclusion that there is nothing more to it; that that is the end of the story as far as salvation is concerned. The vast majority of the church can not believe in UR because the NT writings don’t make it very obvious. In fact, Jesus, more than anyone else states the realities of Hell so much that people have a hard time believing there is more for the unsaved. Why is it that obscure verses and typologies must be used to explain that all must be saved? Furthermore wouldn’t it be a weird extrapolation if those who are unsaved are gentiles while Christians are the true Jewish people, according to Kingdom theology? Why can’t God be obvious and use common words that normal people would understand? Why must God use parables?
“Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: ‘I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world’” (Matthew 13:34-35).
Case in point: Prophets and Psalmists rarely speak in non-esoteric language. Jesus refers to the Psalmist in Psalms 78:2 “I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old” and thus makes His point that not everyone can or will be given understanding. The shocker is that the privilege of understanding is not even given to everyone in the church. This is why UR is not believed in the church: because God blinds people to the Truth.
There is good news! The conflict between Christians who affirm more closely the truths of the gospel (see the Bible spiritually) will be united with those who are blinded and interpret the Bible carnally. Ezekiel 37:22,24 says “And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all…And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgements, and observe my statutes, and do them.” The analogy that I present is that in Christianity there is Judah and Israel (or Samaria, if you are looking at it from a NT standpoint). Judah closely observes the laws and is the country from which Jerusalem is capital. Israel, or Samaria, also follows God but often picks up customs and idols from the surrounding countries. Now, once we understand this in a spiritual way, we see that Judah-Christians are those who see the law spiritually and believe that God is really as powerful as He says He is (implying they believe in things like UR and actually carry forth the Kingdom life on earth.) The Israel-Christians constitute the majority of the church or the Christian “nation”. They see the law carnally and obey without having the law written in their hearts (Romans 2:29). As a result, where the law is not obvious to them they pick up external beliefs such as ECT and its derivatives (which derive from pagan philosophies, “Yes, I’m pointing at you, Augustine.”) and they try to make America a Christian nation by making the laws Christian. They presume that God needs people to be coerced to obey His moral laws so that His Kingdom will be manifest on earth. The absolutely positive news is that both types of Christians will be united under Christ our King and they will not be divided and will obey the law spiritually.
There are complications, of course, with the Judah-Samaria split in Christianity I have presented, especially when we embark into the NT and read about the pharisees who are leaders in Judah. I, again, take the burden off of myself and place it upon Stephen Jones to explain how Judaism and Zionism is not part of Christianity, and how it prophetically represents the nation Edom rather than Judah. Check out gods-kingdom-ministries.net/ … irthright/ for Stephen Jones’ extensive proofs.
NOTE: After reading through Stephen Jones’ books How to be a Jew and How to be an Israelite, I realized I used completely different analogies (that still hold up somehow) and did not go by a more strict, detailed approach that Dr. Jones lays out that is accurate as per Biblical laws. I recommend the precocious reader to investigate here at: gods-kingdom-ministries.net/ … israelite/ .