The "2nd Coming of Christ" shall happen in 2040

Hewillcome2040 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

So some of you know me and know that I teach about the coming of Christ in 2040.

I was able to determine that the Bible is informing believers of that date and time. I don’t have it all figured out yet, but I do have the year.

That year is 2040. That shall be the end of the 120 jubilee cycles. The Last Jubilee was in 1991. Please read my article at the following link for more information (a free site as much as I could make it):

thatdayandhour.info/index.php/20 … t-jubilee/

Your thoughts on the subject?

I know some may interject and say we can’t know the day or hour but I do have a link that covers that topic also:

thatdayandhour.info/index.php/20 … us-christ/

Cindy_Skillman · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Well I guess that would make me a little over 80 years old, so maybe I’ll see it from below or maybe from above… if you’re right. Lots of people have figured this out and they’ve all been mistaken so far. Maybe you’ll be the one. Interesting article, though.

Hewillcome2040 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Yes, many have gotten it wrong. But the Lord’s sheep will know the time.

1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

So someone is going to get it right

Paidion · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

I think that the only way “someone is going to get it right” is if someone predicts His coming in each and every year from now until He does come.

JamesAH81072 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

You know these Second Coming predictions are a dime and dozen these days and this is no exception. It’s written in the Bible that no one knows the time when the Son is coming so I have no clue as to why people even bother?

anon12438761 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

And I do wonder if setting a date 22 years from now gives me 21 years to sin my butt off before repenting.

Holy-Fool-P-Zombie · January 5, 2019, 7:54pm

Or it gives me 21 years, to talk about the tribulation and the Zombie Apocalypse

I am performing a great service - for humanity.

Hewillcome2040 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

That is not what your Bible says. I have written about that:

thatdayandhour.info/index.php/20 … us-christ/

Hewillcome2040 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

What makes you so sure that anyone can guarantee when God will grant them repentance?

maintenanceman · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Ahh, because it has already happened… Christ came and did what He said he would do with the destruction of the second temple.

Paidion · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Read Josephus’s account of the destruction of Jerusalem. He give it in detail. The Jews were getting along fine with the Romans until the Zealots began to make attacks on the Romans. That is why the Roman army moved in. Why didn’t Josephus see Jesus when He returned? He says nothing about his appearing at the time. And why didn’t anyone else see Him so that His coming would have been recorded in history books?

The writer of Revelation had a vision that he described in detail. At one point in his vision, he saw Jesus returning:

Immediately afterward, he predicts that when He does come EVERYONE will see Him! It will not be a secret coming, but EVERYONE will know that it is He!

Paul also wrote that the Lord Jesus would not come until the “lawless one” (the “beast” or “antichrist”) is revealed to the people of the world:

anon12438761 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

maintenanceman · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Paidion, I look at the question of the second coming in a different manner. Andrew Perriman says this:

What did John the Baptist have in mind when he warned the Sadducees and Pharisees about the wrath to come (Matt. 3:7; Lk. 3:7)? Is there any scope for thinking that he is talking about more than—that his language exceeds or transcends—the disastrous events of AD 70? This is one of those posts that started out as a comment but got too big for its boots. It develops part of the argument put forward in ”Getting saved in the Gospels”.

I think we have to assume that if a Jewish prophet in the first century warns the leaders of Israel about the wrath to come, tells them that trees which do not bear good fruit will be cut down, and uses the language of threshing, chaff, winnowing and fire, he is speaking, as the prophets did, about God’s judgment on Jerusalem.

John the Baptist rebukes scribes and Pharisees

I don’t think there’s any question that John the Baptist had in mind the coming destruction of Jerusalem or something very much like it.

I don’t think he had in mind anything other than the punishment, refining, and reformation of Israel associated with the end of the age of second temple Judaism, climaxing in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

John gets his imagery from the prophets, and the prophets use it to speak about God’s judgment of his people in the form of invasion, destruction, and exile:

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At that time it will be said to this people and to Jerusalem, “A hot wind from the bare heights in the desert toward the daughter of my people, not to winnow or cleanse, a wind too full for this comes for me. Now it is I who speak in judgment upon them.” (Jer. 4:11–12)

I will scatter you like chaff driven by the wind from the desert. (Jer. 13:24)

I have winnowed them with a winnowing fork in the gates of the land; I have bereaved them; I have destroyed my people; they did not turn from their ways. (Jer. 15:7)

Therefore they shall be like the morning mist or like the dew that goes early away, like the chaff that swirls from the threshing floor or like smoke from a window. (Hos 13:3)

Judgment against Israel’s enemies, including Babylon, could be announced in similar terms—it is the language of the historical judgment of God against a people, nation or city:

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O my threshed and winnowed one, what I have heard from the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, I announce to you. (Is. 21:10)

Behold, I make of you a threshing sledge, new, sharp, and having teeth; you shall thresh the mountains and crush them, and you shall make the hills like chaff; you shall winnow them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the tempest shall scatter them. (Is. 41:15–16)

Thus says the LORD: “Behold, I will stir up the spirit of a destroyer against Babylon, against the inhabitants of Leb-kamai, and I will send to Babylon winnowers, and they shall winnow her, and they shall empty her land, when they come against her from every side on the day of trouble. (Jer. 51:1–2)

References to fire in relation to judgment against Jerusalem are too numerous to list, but this verse should be noted as the source of John’s “unquenchable fire” imagery:

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And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh. (Is. 66:24)

In Mark 9:43-49 Jesus links together Gehenna as a symbol for the destruction of Jerusalem, the image of “unquenchable fire” from Isaiah’s description of the corpses strewn on the ground outside Jerusalem, the bodies of those Jews who rebelled against YHWH, and the obscure idea that “everyone will be salted with fire”. The phrase “Gehenna of fire” presumably is a simple conflation of the two images (Matt. 5:22; 18:9).

Nothing is in view here other than the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by Rome and the punishment of the generation of Jews which would again “rebel” against YHWH.

The prophetic imagery is focused sharply and consistently on the foreseen catastrophe of the war against Rome. To claim otherwise is theologically motivated wishful thinking.

Malachi associates the coming of the messenger who will prepare the way for YHWH to come with a refining fire to judge the priesthood:

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Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts. But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. (Mal 3:1–2)

Malachi goes on to say that a day is coming, “burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch” (Mal. 4:1). John must have been remembering this text—whether the historical John or the “literary” John—and we must assume that he was likewise speaking about an impending judgment/refining/reformation of Israel. The prophet Elijah (ie. John) will come to restore Israel. If he fails, God will “come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction” (Mal. 4:5-6).

The reference to the Spirit may well be part of the judgment message rather than an allusion to Pentecost.
︎Note, in the first, place that John’s words are not addressed to Israel generally but specifically to the Sadducees and Pharisees. They are words of rebuke and condemnation, not of hope. Mark does not have the explicit confrontation or the sayings about judgment.
︎Grammatically, I think, there is one baptism—not a baptism with the Holy Spirit for those who repent and a baptism with fire for the wicked.
︎Isaiah connects washing, fire and the Spirit of God in speaking about judgment on unrighteous Jerusalem: “when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning” (Is. 4:4).
︎Wind or breath is frequently a means of refining or judging the people in the Old Testament (cf. Is. 11:4; 29:6; 30:28; 57:13; Ezek. 13:13).

So the overall thought, I suggest, is very simple. Many Jews were on a broad road leading to destruction; they would be destroyed in the fire of God’s wrath. A few would find the narrow road leading to the life of the age to come; they are the wheat gathered into the barn, the “lost” reconciled to Abraham, the poor in spirit who will gain the kingdom of God, the fish kept by the angels, etc.

Nothing in the passage points beyond this historical context. The prophetic imagery is focused sharply and consistently on the foreseen catastrophe of the war against Rome. To claim otherwise is theologically motivated wishful thinking.

I agree.

anon12438761 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Well, actually, I did not say that I was ‘so sure’ of anything - those are your words.
More to the point, I was obviously jesting; God wants all men to repent NOW, and for a person to ‘plan’ on repenting after 21 more years of willful sinning is just silly.

Your point in the quote above is a good one.

JamesAH81072 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

You just shot yourself in the foot with the Perfect tense. That means that the action of not knowing is completed in the past and continuing as of now until the Second Coming. That means that the not knowing is still being continued.

davo · April 9, 2018, 4:40pm

Josephus DID see Jesus… but like the rest he just didn’t perceive the poignant gravity such as he was witnessing, i.e., he wasn’t a believer so such wouldn’t have been present in his mind to give direct acknowledgement etc. Besides this, Jesus himself had this to say…

<ἔγνως> egnōs = to know… perceive, discern, conclude.

Well, I think you are being a little more than disingenuous when one considers the very “history books” of Eusebius Pamphili of Caesarea (AD. 264-339) whose record does indeed quote Josephus himself, giving this testimony…

Book III. Chapter VII.—The Predictions of Christ.

It is fitting to add to these accounts the true prediction of our Saviour in which he foretold these very events.

His words are as follows: “Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. For there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

The historian ([size=85]Josephus[/size]), reckoning the whole number of the slain, says that eleven hundred thousand persons perished by famine and sword, and that the rest of the rioters and robbers, being betrayed by each other after the taking of the city, were slain. But the tallest of the youths and those that were distinguished for beauty were preserved for the triumph. Of the rest of the multitude, those that were over seventeen years of age were sent as prisoners to labor in the works of Egypt, while still more were scattered through the provinces to meet their death in the theaters by the sword and by beasts. Those under seventeen years of age were carried away to be sold as slaves, and of these alone the number reached ninety thousand.

These things took place in this manner in the second year of the reign of Vespasian, in accordance with the prophecies of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who by divine power saw them beforehand as if they were already present, and wept and mourned according to the statement of the holy evangelists, who give the very words which he uttered, when, as if addressing Jerusalem herself, he said:

“If thou hadst known, even thou, in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a rampart about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee and thy children even with the ground.”

And then, as if speaking concerning the people, he says, “For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” And again: “When ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”

If any one compares the words of our Saviour with the other accounts of the historian concerning the whole war, how can one fail to wonder, and to admit that the foreknowledge and the prophecy of our Saviour were truly divine and marvellously strange.

Concerning those calamities, then, that befell the whole Jewish nation after the Saviour’s passion and after the words which the multitude of the Jews uttered, when they begged the release of the robber and murderer, but besought that the Prince of Life should be taken from their midst, it is not necessary to add anything to the account of the historian.

But it may be proper to mention also those events which exhibited the graciousness of that all-good Providence which held back their destruction full forty years after their crime against Christ,—during which time many of the apostles and disciples, and James himself the first bishop there, the one who is called the brother of the Lord, were still alive, and dwelling in Jerusalem itself, remained the surest bulwark of the place. Divine Providence thus still proved itself long-suffering toward them in order to see whether by repentance for what they had done they might obtain pardon and salvation; and in addition to such long-suffering, Providence also furnished wonderful signs of the things which were about to happen to them if they did not repent.

Since these matters have been thought worthy of mention by the historian ([size=85]Josephus[/size]) already cited, we cannot do better than to recount them for the benefit of the readers of this work.

Book III. Chapter VIII.—The Signs which preceded the War.

Taking, then, the work of this author, read what he records in the sixth book of his History. His words are as follows: “Thus were the miserable people won over at this time by the impostors and false prophets; but they did not heed nor give credit to the visions and signs that foretold the approaching desolation. On the contrary, as if struck by lightning, and as if possessing neither eyes nor understanding, they slighted the proclamations of God.

At one time a star, in form like a sword, stood over the city, and a comet, which lasted for a whole year; and again before the revolt and before the disturbances that led to the war, when the people were gathered for the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth of the month Xanthicus, at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone about the altar and the temple that it seemed to be bright day; and this continued for half an hour. This seemed to the unskillful a good sign, but was interpreted by the sacred scribes as portending those events which very soon took place.

And at the same feast a cow, led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple.

And the eastern gate of the inner temple, which was of bronze and very massive, and which at evening was closed with difficulty by twenty men, and rested upon iron-bound beams, and had bars sunk deep in the ground, was seen at the sixth hour of the night to open of itself.

And not many days after the feast, on the twenty-first of the month Artemisium, a certain marvelous vision was seen which passes belief. The prodigy might seem fabulous were it not related by those who saw it, and were not the calamities which followed deserving of such signs. For before the setting of the sun chariots and armed troops were seen throughout the whole region in mid-air, wheeling through the clouds and encircling the cities.

Coming from you, given your previously professed positions on Revelation these quotes above carry absolutely no weight of credible argument at all…

"]Don’t quote Revelation to me. It was a disputed book in the early church.

"]I think we cannot establish doctrines or beliefs based on that book.

Paidion:

Paul also wrote that the Lord Jesus would not come until the “lawless one” (the “beast” or “antichrist”) is revealed to the people of the world:

As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 NRSV)

From the fulfilled perspective there are two likely candidates for this character… Nero or the then ruling High Priest. It is worthy of note too that Paul states the likelihood of a falsely sanctioned “epistle” circulating THEN purporting to carry apostolic credence — what a ridiculous thing for Paul to say IF said situation was not on their immediate horizon, but supposedly some 2000+yrs and counting down the road.

Origen · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Paidion:

MM:

Ahh, because it has already happened… Christ came and did what He said he would do with the destruction of the second temple.

Read Josephus’s account of the destruction of Jerusalem. He give it in detail. The Jews were getting along fine with the Romans until the Zealots began to make attacks on the Romans. That is why the Roman army moved in. Why didn’t Josephus see Jesus when He returned? He says nothing about his appearing at the time. And why didn’t anyone else see Him so that His coming would have been recorded in history books?

The writer of Revelation had a vision that he described in detail. At one point in his vision, he saw Jesus returning:

Re 1:7 Look! He is coming with the clouds…

Immediately afterward, he predicts that when He does come EVERYONE will see Him! It will not be a secret coming, but EVERYONE will know that it is He!

… every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and on his account all the tribes of the earth will wail. So it is to be. Amen.

Paul also wrote that the Lord Jesus would not come until the “lawless one” (the “beast” or “antichrist”) is revealed to the people of the world:

As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one is revealed, the one destined for destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 NRSV)

Good post, Paidon!

They didn’t see Jesus coming in 70 AD…because He didn’t.

In judgement, perhaps, but not in glory & power & every eye seeing Him, the resurrection of the dead, & judgement of the nations, etc

Pantelism/Full Preterism has missed the mark.

“Full preterists… are even so bold as to say that we are living in the new heavens and the new Earth (talked about in Revelation 21-22).”

“Of course, they have to abandon the plain understanding of the Scriptures to try and explain what John really meant when he said “there shall no longer be any death…mourning, or crying, or pain” in Rev. 21:4.”

alwaysbeready.com/preterism-refuted

Hewillcome2040 · March 9, 2018, 3:45am

Your understanding of a Perfect Tense is flawed. Realize that your imposing a future context to the meaning to say that nobody could know until the second coming. A Perfect Tense is something completed and continues to the Present. But the “PRESENT” is the context in which it was stated. The Apostles would LATER be given the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit of the Father in Heaven and come to know.

Holy-Fool-P-Zombie · March 9, 2018, 7:40pm

Hewillcome2040:

JamesAH81072:

Hewillcome2040:

That is not what your Bible says. I have written about that:

thatdayandhour.info/index.php/20 … us-christ/

You just shot yourself in the foot with the Perfect tense. That means that the action of not knowing is completed in the past and continuing as of now until the Second Coming. That means that the not knowing is still being continued.

Your understanding of a Perfect Tense is flawed. Realize that your imposing a future context to the meaning to say that nobody could know until the second coming. A Perfect Tense is something completed and continues to the Present. But the “PRESENT” is the context in which it was stated. The Apostles would LATER be given the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit of the Father in Heaven and come to know.

Some here might become QUITE UPSET if I DIDN"T share the opinion - of the Calvinist site, Got Questions:

Is it possible to know when Jesus is coming back?

Let me quote a bit - from their answer.

Answer: Matthew 24:36-44 declares, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father…Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come…So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.” At first glance, these verses would seem to provide a clear and explicit answer to the question. No, no one can know when Jesus is coming back. However, those verses do not say that no one will ever be able to know when Jesus will return. Most Bible scholars would say that Jesus, now glorified in heaven, knows the timing of His return, indicating that the phrase “nor the Son” does not mean Jesus will never know when He will return. Similarly, it is possible that, while Matthew 24:36-44 indicates that no one at that time could know the timing of Jesus’ return, God could reveal the timing of Jesus’ return to someone in the future.

Notice that it says:

THEN is it ALSO POSSIBLE, that God revealed to the Zombie Apocalypse video producer- what will happen during the tribulation.

Paidion · April 20, 2018, 10:02pm

Well, Davo, none of the “history” you’ve quoted stated that Christ returned in A.D. 70.
There is a HUGE difference between Christ’s prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem around A.D. 70 and Christ’s LACK of prediction of His second coming at that destruction.
It still remains that there is not an IOTA of historical evidence that Christ returned in A.D. 70
And you suggest that is it I who is being disingenuous?