What's the Penalty for Your Sins?


#1

The next time someone tells you that Jesus paid the penalty for your sins, ask them “what’s the penalty”? If they say “eternal conscious torment” (and most people will), tell them Jesus has never suffered ECT, so we’re all in trouble because he must not have truly paid the full penalty :laughing:

If you’re feeling particularly cheeky, try to convince them that we’ve overlooked this truth, and that you’re a believer in universal damnation :laughing:


#2

:laughing:


#3

F&B.

You need to read Acts 2:31 before you make statements like that. Your ignorant statement proves to me you have no idea what Jesus went through and did …to purchase your redemption.


#4

We got new forum rules, buddy? You might bone up on them before posting, because “ignorant” is now a banned word located in the “Inflammatory List” If my memory serves me right, it is listed somewhere between “black tea kettle” and “Aaron37”

This is the Humor section isn’t it? :laughing:


#5

John.

Ignorant…lack of knowledge…same thing, buddy.


#6

I’ll check the lists.


#7

Yes, “lack of knowledge” would have been a better choice. I checked the lists and although “lack of knowledge” is under the “Questionable” heading, there is no penalty. :mrgreen:


#8

LOL, an ignorant person is someone with a lack of knowldege. If you are ignorant of the word of God…you will perish. Hosea 4:6.


#9

There is hope, my friend. You are showing improvement with the appropriate “lol” preceding your thoughts.
Now go on and play nice with the other kids and please don’t entertain any “go to hell” thoughts toward anyone.


#10

Aaron37,

F&B makes a valid point here. Please answer these questions.

  1. Did Jesus pay the full penalty for your sins?
  2. What did he have to do to pay that penalty?
  3. If someone dies unforgiven will he have to pay the same penalty?

Todd


#11

Todd.

  1. Yes.

  2. Jesus not only bore our sins, but the sin nature itself was laid upon Him, until He became all the spiritual death had made man. Acts 2:24-28 shows to us the suffering of Christ in Hell. It tells us that His soul was not left in Hell ( verse 27), but that God praised Hi up, having loosed the pangs of death. The greek word “pangs” means “intense suffering”, showing that when Christ was raised His spirit was loosed from the intense suffering that He bore as our sin-substitute.

  3. Yes and No. You will pay the penalty for rejecting Jesus Christ. God is not counting sin against anyone. Jesus put away sin on the cross…But you must believe and receive this grace that Jesus provided on the cross so you will be made spiritually alive (born again) that is only appropriated by faith.


#12

You didn’t answer question 3.

Todd


#13

Todd.

I did answer it…maybe not to your satisfaction, but answer it I did. You pay for rejecting Jesus. By rejecting Jesus…you are rejecting the only way to be made spiritually alive(born again)…the only way to see the kingdom of God. Those who die spiritually dead are the one who rejected Jesus and will be separated from God for eternity or you UR"s call it “ages of the ages”.


#14

Aaron 37,

Isn’t one made spiritually alive (born again) through faith HERE?

If so, then what does that have to do with being “eternally” separated from God at the point of physical death, when at such a point the body returns to dust and the spirit returns to God?


#15

athisfeet.

You must believe and recieve Jesus’ finished work on the cross in this life. (Hebrews 9:27; 10:26-29) If you die spiritually dead…you are judged and are sent to Hades to await the final judgemnt to be thrown into the lake of fire.


#16

Hebrews 9:27 is taking about the death OF JESUS CHRIST, Aaron37.

NOW is the judgment of this world. (John 19:31) Christ came to send fire in the earth. (Luke 12:49) The righteous and much more the wicked and sinner are recompenses HERE, IN THE EARTH (Pro 11:31).

There is no more sacrifice for sin; it was accomplished once for all; and it is finished. AMEN!!


#17

athisfeet.

you said: Hebrews 9:27 is taking about the death OF JESUS CHRIST, Aaron37.

Aaron37: I emphatically disagree and so will most biblical scholars disagree that Hebrews 9:27 is not talikng about the death of Jesus Christ…I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion. It is referring to that every man will die once then you are judged. Judged How? If you are spiritually alive or spiritually dead. If you are spiritually alive you go to be with the Lord in Heaven…if you are spiritually dead you go to Hades and await final judgement into the lake of fire.


#18

Not about the death of Jesus Christ? Seriously?

With all due respect to you and whatever “biblical scholars” you think would disagree with me, the entire passage is about Christ offering himself on the cross, Aaron.

*Heb 9:23-28 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For CHRIST is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now TO APPEAR IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD FOR US: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: BUT NOW ONCE IN THE END OF THE WORLD HATH HE APPEARED TO PUT AWAY SIN BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF. AND AS IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment: So CHRIST WAS ONCE OFFERED TO BEAR THE SINS OF MANY; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. *

Now, after reading more than one verse, are you are still going to tell me that this passage is not about the offering of Jesus Christ as the sacrificial Lamb of God, once for all?

If it is (and it is) then how does verse 27 suddenly not refer to the death of Jesus Christ? How is that you and “most biblical scholars” would “emphatically disagree” with that?

If you can explain how this passage (including verse 27, which so many quote out of context) is it not about the death of Christ, then by all means do so. But you certainly aren’t going to convince me by taking one verse of the passage out of it’s context and misapplying it, no matter how many “biblical scholars” might do the same and agree with you because of it.

Christ came ONCE (in the end of the world) TO DIE (yes, AS IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN) to bear the sins of many (all the world) AND AFTER THIS THE JUDGMENT?

We are judged by the cross of Christ, are we not? And Jesus said “I am come to send fire on the earth” and “now is the judgment of this world”. No?


#19

athisfeet.

Well, to me it means just what it says. There are no do-overs. We have one life to live. We will die (unless Jesus returns first). Upon our death we will face judgement.

In context it goes on to show that Christ needed only die once, as he was the perfect sacrafice, and enter heaven once to be our intercessor. He doesn’t keep doing it and doing it. One time is all he needed and likewise, one time is all we’ll have.


#20

Aaron37,

Let me rephrase the question then. Christ suffered a horrible death on the cross and was buried and was raised on the third day. His selfless act paid for your sins. For someone who is not forgiven because he has “rejected” Christ, would suffering the same penalty (death) also pay for his sins?

Todd