The Evangelical Universalist Forum

Why be a Christian?

Admiting to having failed at life seems to me to be a good place to shakel up to Jesus and walk with him who’s yoke is easy and burden light. As for George Mc I am not sure his potificatioons really help much IMO. Sorry Mr P.

This didn’t occur to me. But if the health and prosperity gospel are true, it’s also a good benefit to be a Christian - while we are living on earth. :smiley:

Potificatioons? Not in any dictionary. Perhaps you meant “pontifications.” If that’s what you meant, I must affirm, as an avid reader of GMD, and one who owns nearly every book he has written, he does NOT pontificate. Have you read him widely? Or do you base your judgment on a few quotes that you have seen in this forum or some other forum? I admit that there are places in some of his writings in which he moralizes a bit, but with a careful reading, one can see that he had the purpose of helping people become aware of their hypocrisy. GMD’s books reveal that he was very compassionate toward sinners and rejects from society. But he was pretty hard on self-serving people from the upper classes that didn’t care what happened to the poor—only how to promote their own self-interests. In my opinion, his attitudes mirrored that of our Lord Jesus.

I quoted:

I have misread it upon what basis? You’ll have to do more than simply affirm that I’ve misread it, if you want to justify your statement.

Okay, I’ll try reading it that way.
To those who by perseverance in well-doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, He will give eternal life…
I must think of persevereance in well-doing resulting in a reward. What reward? The text indicates that the reward is “eternal life.” That reward looks a lot like “salvation” to most people.

…but for those who are self-seeking and are not persuaded by the truth, but are persuaded by unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

Let’s see now. What reward do “those who are self-seeking and are not persuaded by the truth, but are persuaded by unrighteousness” receive?
Wrath and fury! Hmmm… that doesn’t sound like a reward; it sounds like a punishment.

Well yeah it was… and sticking with the biblical context this to THEM looked like “life” surviving into the coming new age, of which they were on the threshold of attaining IF they then remained faithful to the end, as per Mt 24:13; Heb 10:36-39 (AD70).

Punishment indeed was its own reward… as I noted “reward” could be positive OR negative as is indicative of the likes of Jer 32:19; 17:10; Psa 62:12, as per render = reward.

Understanding the writing style of the time makes a big difference as well. I grew up reading F.B. Meyer, and Spurgeon and Finney and others from those days when written speech was much more expressionist and even free I think- and also, being British English as opposed to contemporary American English, which is much more spare.

I majored in Old English literature and history, and actually very much enjoy the writing style of that time, including much of the KJV(stylistically). It sometimes bleeds over into my own writing, to the chagrin of others and myself as well. :laughing: