Revival, it’s challenging to have a reasonable discussion with you when you resort to such wild accusations, inflammatory remarks, and ill-informed statements.
In the previous post that you called “absurb” I actually quoted the NKJV, only substituting “corrective punishment” for “kolasis” which the NKJV translated as “torment”, simply showing that “corrective punishment” fits well the passage. The NKJV interpreted it using the word “involves” that seems to have gotten your dander up; I suppose you can argue about that with them. Maybe you’d like to write the NKJV translators and quote Rev. 22.18-19 to them and accuse them of “eisigesis”; they put “involves” in their translation of this passage, not I. “Involves” is how they translated the word *echo *which is translated variously as “has, posseses, to have, bring out, etc.” I just used that translation because it was the first one I referenced in my review of the passage before I answered your previous statement about “corrective punishment” not being a reasonable interpretation of *kolasis *in 1 John 4.18.
Concerning “fear” being demonic, I suppose some fear is. But then again scripture also says that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Fear is an emotional response that can be rooted in either truth or deception. The fear of God is rooted in truth and is healthy. Fear rooted in deception is demonic and unhealthy. 1 John 4:18 is talking to believers and is speaking of a healthy fear of God, a fear rooted in a right relationship with God. When we do wrong, we, because of our relationship with our Father, naturally fear His discipline of us. And we also rightly fear being on the negative side of the law of sowing and reaping. These work in us to motivate us to not sin.
True, I suppose it is astonishing to actually believe what Malachi and Paul said.
As for the rest of the post, your appeal to my “lack” of understanding, and lack of Sunday school indoctrination is unfounded - that’s a purely theological issue. It is literally nothing else but the statement “you don’t believe as I do, therefore you don’t understand God!”
All the other verses are sufficient for proving that God is the father of all. God created them, God is The Father.
I suppose the Pharisee’s are literally the sons of snakes too eh? That a couple of copperheads got together and gave birth to a group of humans?
“Thou generation of vipers!”
Jesus is making a statement concerning their actions and spiritual attitudes, and you know it well. The Devil didn’t create them, the Devil isn’t their literal father; God alone is Father of all, by virtue of being their creator, and by virtue of descendency from Adam and familial faith in Christ the Last Adam.
You’re denying that God is the creator of everyone. Apart from God, no one would be; God is the creator of All, and therefore the Father of All. The Bible is quite plain as I’ve shown several times. The fatherhood of God towards members of the church, does not negate his fatherhood towards those who are not.
The breath of God is in everyone.
Not everyone will do this? That’s a very bold statement for you to make. Gird up your loins like a man and answer me; I will ask you. Do you sit upon the white throne to make judgements concerning the fate of every man? Were you there when The Lord sat and rained mercy and justice upon every soul? Are you the Son of Man to judge that the Lord thy God will fail?
No you’re not. You don’t know, and by virtue of your insistence upon damning man by saying man will inevitably be damned - thou art hateful of thy brothers.
I, quite frankly, don’t care.
You seem to not even know what “adoption of sons” means in the ancient context. It refers to a child’s coming of agein the household, not the modern sense of being legally integrated into a family unit in the way foster children are.
Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Once again Lefein you take Malachi 2:10 out of context and make it say what it doesn’t say. The subject of these verses are about profaning the marriage covenant.
Have we not one father? This is talking about either father Abraham or Jacob not God. In context it is definitely not referring God as the Father of every human being.
**hath not one God created us? **This is in reference to God creating Israel to be his chosen people.
When you leave scripture in context the real meaning comes forth.
There are 9 verses before the 10 verse and 2 verses after. Read them in context and your interpretation vanishes. You are wrong, Leifein. God is definitely not the Father of all.
I guess you should disown your grandfather, and grandmother, father, and mother then. Lest you damn yourself to eternal Hell, eh? Perhaps your children should disown you, lest they put their immortal soul in peril of torment?
I read the verses, I read the whole chapter. I saw two themes;
“You priests have dealt treacherously with the commandments! You’ve dealt treacherously with your brothers! Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us?”
“You’ve dealt treacherously with the wife of thy youth! Is there not one covenant between you and your wife? You Judah have married an idolatrous nation, the daughter of a strange god!”
The context, from what I can plainly read, is a descending order of treacherous dealings. The priests with The Law, and the people with their brethren; which applies to all people, having God’s law written on their hearts. And the husband (Judah) to his wife, in the sense of breaking the spiritual covenant by playing the whore with an idolatrous nation and her idols (a common theme in the Bible).
None of it negates the all-fatherhood of God. There is one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Unless you would deign to question, nay, deny! That there is One God. Who is supreme above all, and omnipresent through all, and in all…and the Father of all…
If there is only one true-god, God. And if that God is indeed omnipresent; through all, and in all. Then that true-god is the Father of all.
If, as Paul said to a group of unbelievers specifically to include them, “we are all His offspring” (Acts 17:28), then what does that make God? This isn’t terribly difficult stuff. Most kids learn it in Sunday school, actually.
Luke 3:22-38. At the time , there were only two people who are actually called the son or Son of God. Jesus in the beginning and Adam at the end. All the rest of the people in between were not sons of God. Why? because they were born with sin natures and are procreated by man not God. Let that sink in.
ECT is a pagan theology, with satan being the equivalent of Ahriman in zoroastrianism with Mazda being God. It is a doctrine of demons, with the chief demon being more powerful than god because he ultimately wins more souls than god.
For** in him** we live,and move, and have our being. How many unbelievers are in him, Snitzel? To be God’s offspring you must be born with His nature. How many people are born into this world with God’s nature, Snitzel? If everyone were God’s offspring we would not be born with the sin nature. Sin and Death cannot come from God only life.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. If anyone be in Christ they are a new creature! Do you understand the fullness of these verses? If you do, you will have the answer to your question.
Are you saying you aren’t a son of God? You’re the son of your human parents, after all…
God is omnipresent, and sustains all things. In order for you to deny that All (not just believers) live in him, move, and have their being; you’d have to deny God’s omnipresence, and God’s sustaining nature.
You’re defaming God every time you insist that everyone is not God’s child.
