What appears is final judgment is rendered toward the goats not for correction but for justice. They are found guilty of not being found in the BOL and will pay the eternal penalty of being separated from God. Its kinda like our judicial system. The people who are sentenced with life in prison with no chance of parole or receive the death penalty do not receive those punishments for the benefit of correction but for justice of the crime committed.The LOF was not created to correct anyones nature in their spirits. It was created to be a eternal prison for eternal criminals that were sentenced with the death penalty. 
Again, says who? Many on this thread have sought to provide you grounds and evidence for what they believe. Could you not do the same courtesy back? Stop just making statements as though they were factual and provide some evidence. Or else show how the evidence we gave you is faulty. Just you stating your opinion does not count as solid reasoning.
No, I never said works and not faith determines where you spend eternity. When you stand in front of God at final judgment you will give account of your life here on earth. There are books that are opened and one of them records your works.(Read Rev 20:12) For believers it will be how you represented Jesus in word, thought and deeds. The Bol determines your eternal destiny. If you are not found recorded in the BOL you experience the second death which is eternal separation from God in the LOF. This is an act of justice and not a form of correction. The LOF was not created to change anyones nature in their spirits. It was created to be a eternal prison for eternal criminals that were sentenced with the death penalty.
This type of theology comes right out of the dark ages.Wow What a warped view of God and His great purposes for the children He loves and seeks to be reconciled with. I’m praying for you Rev 
No, it comes from God’s own mouth in Matt 25:31-46 and Rev 20:10-15. No one is a child of God until they receive His nature by being born again or receiving the second birth in this life. Before one receives the reconciliation they are alienated from God and are considered enemies. Col 1:23; Rom 5:10. Do we consider judicial death penalty sentences here on earth a form of correction? Of course not! But UR’s put that standard on God when He gives the death penalty in eternity.
URpilgrim…you and a bunch of UR’s are going to have a rude awakening at the judgment seat of Christ in Rev 20:10-15 if you don’t receive correction before you die.
Then you are being entirely inconsistent, which means your argument fails. You equate the sheep and the goats with the Lake of Fire in Revelation, having already arbitrarily decided the lake of fire is an eternal prison of separation from God, the penalty for being a criminal. The sheep/goats story says that those entering the rest of God were those who did good works; those entering fire were those without good works. You can only come to your conclusions by completely ignoring the text. In your mind, the sheep/goats and LOF are the same thing, but even though the sheep/goats story only mentions works, whether or not you are in/out LOF has nothing to do with your works. I’m assuming you think we would all ve judged guilty according to our works, but those who trust in Christ are in the Book of Life and therefore are not judged this way. Only problem is, that the sheep/goats story says nothing resembling that. And you are the one equating the two passages as describing the same thing. You are fitting together two mutually exclusive scenarios (by your definition of them) and saying they’re the same thing. This is logically I coherent.
And your idea of the LOF is your personal opinion. An opinion that has been popularized and held by many Christians. But that doesn’t mean it’s correct. This eternal separation from God stuff is sheer nonsense. You cannot find me a single bible verse and probably no patristic source either (although I’m less famiar with the patriots s than I should be) that supports your separation from God idea. Yet you continue to repeat this, as if it were somehow meaningful.
I would like to know though, in your view, how do you know the LOF is a literal lava lake, given that our source is apocalyptic literature? What process did you use to decipher that it wasn’t symbolic? What about other parts of Revelation? Is the Sea of Glass a real sea of glass? Are there literal bowls being poured out on the earth? Are the saints in heaven really living under the altar? Is there a beast with horns stomping around the earth?
Gods gonna say “how dare you think I was so good, and loving and just, psshh, for that you too will be subjected to torture for multiple eternities, insolent fools, what you took those words about love never failing seriously? Lol, look how silly you are, mercy endures forever? Hahahahahahahah, now burn” 
to be carnally minded is death
Jason Pratt’s fallacy claims God himself is evangelizing people in Hell/Hades right now. If that were true why are there billions of people in Hell/Hades in Rev 20:10-15 that are not recorded in the BOL and thrown into the LOF? Everyone who has ever gone into Hell/Hades are thrown into the LOF. There is no scripture proof of anyone accepting salvation in Hell and being escorted to Heaven. God must be one lousy evangelist! 
Then to add to this fallacy Jason declares God again extends this reconciliation through the body of Christ and the Spirit who are in eternity bliss to evangelize people who are in the LOF who are supposedly outside the gates of the NJ. Rev 22:17. Correct me if I’m wrong about your position, Jason. 
What Jason and other UR’s don’t grasp is that the LOF judgment is an act of justice and not a form of correction. The LOF was not created to refine, regenerate, correct, to change, anyone. It was created to be a eternal prison for eternal criminals that were sentenced with the death penalty. Do we consider judicial death penalty sentences here on earth a form of correction? Of course not! But UR’s put that standard on God when He gives the death penalty in eternity.
The reality is if God is witnessing to people in Hell right now there should not be billions who are emptied out of it unto final judgment and thrown into the lake of fire! Do you really think if Almighty God could not convert them in Hell what makes Him succeed in the LOF? Do you not see the fallacy in this yet?
Excuse me, but you are not in the place of God to decide who is and isn’t a child of God, having received correction prior to death. Unless you have now added ‘correct interpretation of doctrine’ as another work required for salvation.
If I’m wrong about UR, does that mean that my confession of faith in Christ is made null and void? You really ought to think things through before you open your mouth, or in this case type on your keyboard. Your thinking has been shown in various ways to be bankrupt. Not just questionable, but bankrupt. And I don’t mean all beliefs in ECT are bankrupt. But your version has so many holes in, it may as well be a net. Aion/sozo anyone? Eternal separation from God? Aei meaning forever? Yet you continue to repeat the same doctrine again and again, so confident are you in your opinions, despite the holes, despite the inconsistencies. Yet you make your statements with such authority. Do ever even entertain the possibility that you might possibly be wrong?
Even after explaining to you what the judgment in rev 20
entails you still don’t understand and misrepresent me.
In the end it still comes down to only two presented options.
- God through Christ saves everyone, Christ lovingly corrects everyone.
- God through Christ saves a few, then ceaselessly tortures the rest, possibly even Christ does the torturing.
It is very plain and simple; 1. is thoroughly superior, any engagement of 2. being superior to 1. is an exercise is delusion.
Biblical scholarship and varieties of academic study can be given to support both 1. and 2. - but ultimately 1. has the greater Biblical and academic weight behind it, it also has the higher ground in terms of morality. He is God that even staunch Atheists can say sounds like a “fine chap” rather than an “immoral monster” (and this literally happened in a debate), without any loss of God’s potency as Justice and Love.
In any evangelistic scenario, I can see the loving, correcting, purposeful God, as presented by the Bible; who saves on a universal scope, and reconciles on a universal scope - as being far more effective than the pseudo-agape deity presented by (I won’t even say “traditional”) the ecclesiopolical-culture that has usurped the place of God and Body with its bag of bad fruit, namely the doctrines of Damnationalism.
How exactly did I misrepresent you? I pointed out in inconsistency of what you said. You in turn said what you believe the LOF judgement entails - and a lot of what you said was extrabiblical or contradictory to what you already said. It’s not my fault if you contradict yourself, nor if you state your opinion as though it were fact, and fail to convince anyone.
Your view is not internally consistent and instead of honestly dealing with the difficulties, you complain I’m misrepresenting you. I understand your view here. You believe that we are saved through Christ not works, that we have a part to play, namely accepting Him before we die and that if we don’t accept Him prior to death, we’ll be judged for our own sins forever in a literal lake of fire, which is seperation from God. Correct me if I made any mistake there. The problem with this is not so much what you believe but how you arrive at your conclusions. Your case is often self contradictory or mere rhetoric. If we gave you those sorts of arguments for UR, you wouldn’t accept them, so why should we accept them for ECT.
And you’re never going to get a good response by hinting that believers in UR are not saved.
Indeed, and agreed. “Grace through Faith” doesn’t equal “Agreeing with certain Doctrines”.
Amen!!! So say all of us! 
You sound very Lewisian with your ‘fine chap’ comment. Just curious, was this a recorded debate where even atheists found the God of love persuasive? Sounds like it would be a good listen
Revival, you haven’t studied Greek, have you? If you had, you would never have written such a statement. Where did you get this idea? The primary meaning of the Greek word “εις” is “into” and does NOT refer to a limit. It is NOT “up to”. It is NOT “towards”. It is NOT “until”. Not just “up to” but “into”. Not just “up to” the age but “into the age”.
Take any Greek course, and you will be taught that the meaning of “εις” is “into”.
Though some translators have used the word “unto” as a translation in some contexts because for them it seems to make more sense. Nevertheless, I find no scripture in which the word MUST be translated in a limited sense.
Never have I ever believed this or said this anywhere. No idea why you would even ask such a question.
Never have I hinted believers in UR are not saved. Not once! These are examples of putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting what I say. Please stop misrepresenting me and pay more attention to what I do say. 
Never have studied Greek, but I know how to look up words with the best of them. I don’t believe I said primary meaning but pertaining “As to time”. Spiros Zodhiates TH.D. gave that definition and he is a Greek scholar and was a Greek himself.
No where in the Bible does it promise God through Christ saves everyone, Christ lovingly corrects everyone. I will tell you what the Bible does say though about chastening or correction.
Hebrews 12: 5-8.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8** But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.**
What do we see here, Lefein? The Lord only disciplines or corrects those who are His sons (believers). But if you be without chastisement or correction you are a bastard, and not sons! Wooooow, the complete opposite of Christ lovingly correcting everyone. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Revival says:
It was created to be a eternal prison for eternal criminals that were sentenced with the death penalty.
The Bible says:
Matthew 25:41
New International Version (NIV)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the **eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. **
Dirtboy
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Notice in this verse is says “Depart from me, YOU WHO ARE CURSED”. This is very important. The ones who follow the devil and his angels into the eternal fire are cursed. How are they cursed? They are cursed because they have the same sin or spiritual death nature that the devil and his angels have. In other words, the eternal fire was created for the devil and his angels(who are cursed with the spiritual death nature) and all who have this same nature will follow the devil into eternal fire!