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A Saved Blasphemer!

How do they protect our privacy against leadership who feel they can display our private information without permission to the forum at their discretion regardless of their intentions? If this happens, how are we guaranteed it won’t happen again?

If the information can be found publicly, it is not invasion of privacy to post it. You did not disclose this information to anyone for them to repeat it, it was found freely in public domains and shared for the purpose of to educate the public. He did not talk about your personal life, he did not talk about your work situation, he did not talk about anything of personal information, he stated your name and the area you live (which if you belong to any social network, phone network, done a survey, voted in an election, served on a jury, etc. is public information) A non-violation of privacy - using his name, image, likeness or voice for a purpose other than the legitimate information of the public.

No way to guarantee it, Aaron, without removing your information totally off the internet. If it’s public information, anyone can find it, and theoretically has the right to publish it. Newspaper reporters don’t have to have permission to do such things for example.

The intentions of the person who did it, however, count a lot in the estimation of any reasonable person. If I was clearly doing it to be flatly hostile to you (and without a justification for the hostility, such as if I had in fact discovered evidence you were sockpuppeting FU) I would be banned. Everyone else here realizes I was trying to help you (and FU), though. I still received a formal warning for it, and properly so; because while legally the information is publicly useable, forum policy is normally to protect the privacy of people who prefer to post anonymously (like yourself).

The result works out just as well anyway, since your protests confirm that I wasn’t just making up information to protect you; consequently, the specific data can be (and quickly was) deleted without affecting the defense in your favor.

The courage of your evangelical conviction, meanwhile, in preferring to be totally pseudonymous, is once again noted; as is your continuing attempt to avoid acknowledging why I did it. :wink:

Craig,

I appreciate the thoughts. Thanks. :slight_smile:

The point is you had no right to publish it here on this forum without my permission regardless of your good intentions. By doing that you violated this forums policy of respecting peoples wishes to stay anonymous. All of this could of be done by PM, including your investigation of me caused by Craig’s erroneous accusations. Then after you found your results you could of announced it to the forum without using my full name and where I lived, but you chose not to do that. You were just trying to nail me pretending to be someone else and wanted to publicly humilate me in the process. But it turned out to be a witch hunt gone wrong. I’m tired of talking about this…its over as far as I’m concerned. You’re forgiven.

Yep, I didn’t attempt on this thread to exegete the passages that speak of blaspheming the Holy Spirit; there are other threads doing that. If you would like my input on a specific scripture let me know. On this thread I was simply pointing out that Paul noted that he was a blasphemer, a persecuter of the church, obviously very anti-Christ, the worst of sinners in his own words - and yet God saved him even though he was hell-bent on destruction and death, a “son of satan” according to Jesus. For me this example does contradict the belief that there is an unforgivable sin. I mean, if Jesus saved and forgave Paul, he can save and forgive anyone through revealing Himself to them. For me salvation is completely by grace, not of works, and even my faith is a gift from God, something that God has birthed in me through the revelation of the Lamb, the Atonement of Christ, the manifest love of God.

Thanks, Sherman, for your time and input- yes, if you would, I would like to see how you interpret the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit passages.

Unbelief done in ignorance( such as Paul) is not the sin to blaspheme the HS. This has already been explained to you. It is obvious you do not have a true grasp of the understanding of the sin Jesus said shall not be forgiven in Mark 3:29 & Luke 12:10. I suggest you educate yourself to read my posts( if you have not already done so) to know the difference of what Paul did and what Jesus is actually talking about.

Educate himself to read your posts? That requires an education? :confused: On second thought…

Anyways, who would be less ignorant than Paul was, arguably the most educated and learned Jew of his time? What do you think he meant by ‘ignorant’?

The problem with your objection, other than being poorly worded, is that Paul was certainly not “ignorant”. He was a Pharisee of Pharisees. He had studied scripture from childhood. He heard Stephen preach, likely had heard the apostles preach, and could have even personally heard Jesus preach. Concerning your tendency to lift yourself up and put others down, oh well. Such an attitude certainly doesn’t inspire me to seriously consider anything you share.

I hope you change your mind because Paul certainly acted ignorantly when It came to the true knowledge of Jesus Christ. Check it out, Sherman:

1 Timothy 1:12-13 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Which is exactly why we hold out hope for you, too, Aaron, no matter how dead set you are against the revelation of God’s persistent love.

So then blaspheme is forgiveable if the one who blasphemes is acting in ignorance and unbelief. But if one knows Jesus and has faith in Him then blaspheme is not forgiveable. So God has more forgiveness and grace for unbelievers than for believers? Of course not! Ignorance and unbelief do not mean that sin is ok or that God more readily forgives the sin of unbelievers than He does for believers.

From our perspective though it sure does help. It is much easier for me to embrace forgiveness and mercy for the things I did in ignorance and unbelief than it is for me to accept forgiveness for things that I do that I know I should not have done, especially something as serious as blaspheming, or persecuting others. But whether on is ignorant or not has nothing to do with forgiveness from God’s point of view. He forgives us of all of our sins because He loves us, whether we did them in ignorance or not.

Ok, instead of getting involved in the other threads, here’s my understanding of the matter. Let’s look at Mk.3 first.

22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebub,” and, “By the truler of the demons He casts out demons.”
23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27 No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house.
28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” — 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

In this particular case, to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit was to see Jesus perform a deliverance by the power of God, and in stead of recognizing it to be by the power of God, to be so blinded by unbelief and pride so as to attribute the deliverance to the power of an unclean spirit.

Also notice that vs 29 would be better interpreted, “he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit does not have forgiveness in this age” because:

  1. have (echo) is in the present tense, not in the future tense and
  2. *aion *means “age” and does not imply forever, but an indefinite season of time.

Frankly, as long as the person remains in such stubborn unbelief as to reject evident miracles from God as being from the devil, then that person will remain cut off from the forgiveness of God. But of course, if/when he repents and obtains faith, he’s enabled to recieve forgiveness. And in fact, even before we sin, God has already forgiven us because he loves us.

Paul actually fits this very well. He rejected the ministry of Jesus, the Apostles, and Stephen as being from the Devil, and he did so in unbelief, not realizing that he was really calling good evil. And when Jesus revealed Himself to Paul, he repented and recieved forgiveness.

Luke 12:10 is similar.
10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

As long as a person remains in such terrible ignorance of the love of God and the blindness of unbelief, they cannot recieve forgiveness, but it doesn’t mean that God doesn’t forgive them already. Shoot, Jesus died for the sins of all humanity, not just some sins, but all sins, not just some people but all people.

Furthermore, it seems to me that if this passage meant to convey that there was an unforgivable sin, it would specify very clearly what that exact sin is and not be a vague at all. But to this day there is much debate over what “blasphemes against the Holy Spirit” fully entails.

Over the years I have counseled many people who were bound in fear thinking that they had in some way blaspemed the Holy Spirit. They lived in fear and depression questioning whether or not Jesus loved them enough to save them because they had “blaspemed the Holy Spirit” and yet they often do not even have a specific sin they are thinking of. They are chained in bondage to irrational fear why? Because they have not even partially comprehended the love of God for them.

Also if two passages in the Synoptics are similar, I tend to view them together and thus my understanding of Mark significantly influences my understanding of Luke.

So then blaspheme is forgiveable if the one who blasphemes is acting in ignorance and unbelief. But if one knows Jesus and has faith in Him then blaspheme is not forgiveable. So God has more forgiveness and grace for unbelievers than for believers? Of course not! Ignorance and unbelief do not mean that sin is ok or that God more readily forgives the sin of unbelievers than He does for believers.

Again, to prevent repeating myself… go and read my posts, Sherman. Here you go: 2 Cor 5:19 and the only sin that is not forgiven in any age!
Luke 12:8-10 speaking and denying? The difference!

Just fyi everyone,

I’ll be on vacation the next two weeks so my participation on this forum will be spotty to nill.

Blessings,
Sherman

In your previous post, you apparently put a quotation division in the wrong place. I actually wrote

My point was that ignorance is no excuse for breaking a law, but it is much easier for us to recieve forgiveness if we were ignorant of it being sin. If though we are fully aware that our actions are evil, it makes it much more difficult for us to recieve forgiveness, though that is all God has towards us.

Hi Sherman, have you ever looked up the word never in verse 29?

It is aionios

So that scripture can actually be read

but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit aionios forgiveness has , but is subject to eternal condemnation.

Thanks for pointing that out. But the actual wording is: **οὐκ ἔχει ἄφεσιν εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα **

**οὐκ ἔχει **- is “does not have”

And the phrase “εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα” is aparently usually omitted in English translations for it means “unto the age”. In other words, it would be best translated that those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit do not recieve deliverance in this age, in this life! Which is absolutely true. Those who set resist the Holy Spirit to such a great degree that they actually attribute the miracles of the Spirit to the work of Satan, those who break their own principles in order to condemn something that is so obviously good, these people will not recieve the forgiveness and grace of God in this life because of their pride and self-rightness.

Hi Sherman, I agree about this life, but I was speaking of the next. Reread my post.

God bless

Hi Pneuma, I apparently do not understand your point. Further clarification please.
Thanks,
Sherman