The phrase “final judgment” is found nowhere in the Bible, yet you use it all the time.
Show me from Rev 20-21 that the judgment on humans is final.
Yes it is. If our answer doesn’t suit you, you reject it - even when clearly correct. If the answers corner you, you move the goal post. If we don’t give you the answers which suit you, then you assume we’re defeated - even though we know that the only answer that will suit you is only one that is in favour of your position to the detriment of ours.
That by definition is a trick-question, and entrapment.
That is absolutely ridiculous, and shamefully sanctimonious of you.
Revival,
In Revelation, we see people in the Lake of Fire. Then we see them out of the Lake of Fire. Do you approach movies the same way you’re approaching the biblical narrative here? When I see characters in one place, and then, in the next scene, suddenly see them in another place, I assume they’ve moved somehow from point A to point B. Do you assume that they’re different characters that just happen to look exactly like the previous characters unless someone can show you footage of them walking from one place to the other?
Agreed. Its a descriptive word to describe the one and only judgment recorded in Rev 20:11-15. Which Jesus referred to in John 12:48 as the last day.
Rev 20;11-15. The dead, small and great,(all of humanity) stand before God; and the books were open (plural) and another book was open (singular) which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. This judgment is final unless you believe their to be another judgment in addition to this one. If you believe that than show me where the people who were thrown into the lake of fire standing before God again.
I’m afraid we arrived at a road block if you don’t acknowledge how I addressed the kings of the earth in Rev 21:24. Are you not assuming with zero evidence these people are the same kings of the earth in Rev 19? Doctrine built on assumption and not biblical evidence is sinking sand, my brother. God bless.
Allan just answered it. There are other UR’s in the past who have answered it, but it is a trick question to you. 
We have come to a road block here. Thanks again for the discussion.
Mate, I respect your zeal, but you’ve been sold a crock. 100 sextillion stars cannot fit into the sea. Find a better way of approaching this stuff. You’ll be so glad you did.
Here are the possibilities.
- Every created being will end up joyfully praising God.
- No created beings will end up joyfully praising God.
- Some created beings will end up joyfully praising God.
So which one will it be? If God is responsible for making this universe, the buck stops with him. If it ends up a total catastrophe for most of us, God is ultimately to blame. He made us. He made the snake. He planted the Tree. He let the snake in. God, being infinitely strong, therefore has a infinite duty of care. Bear this sober fact in mind when you choose the God you serve.
Frankly, my God is better than yours. My God’s love never fails. Your God’s love fails all the time. My God’s anger lasts but a moment but his mercy endures forever. Your God’s anger lasts forever, and his mercy stops at death. My God finds no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Your God punishes the wicked forever. Mine is not willing that any should perish. He does not cast off men forever. He wounds, and he binds up. Your God casts people into torment with no hope of escape. He wounds, and wounds, and wounds some more.
You finish your posts with “God bless”. Let me tell you straight. No one in their right mind would want a blessing from your sort of God. In all earnestness, I say, “Find yourself a better God.”
Be nice, Allan. Explain to me how people praise God in the lake of fire when no one apparently gets out?
Yet you’ve refused to accept our answers as sufficient or valid, certainly refused to accept mine beyond odd “thanks 
” responses (which I have little trust for). And yes, I do believe it is a trick question, it certainly feels like it - and probably not just to me, but I could probably ask others and they might feel very much the same way. If not then alas for me, I still yet definitely sense something foul in your question-play; and I am now beyond the point of not voicing my displeasure.
If you’re going to ask me to provide proof of Universal Reconciliation, but then put limitations on what part of the Bible I’m allowed to use, which you’ve pre-decided based on presupposed reasons; under pain of being defeated - “sinking sand, not on the rock” IE: wrong: then I have little else to think but entrapment, or trick-question. Hence my reasoning in thinking there is some deal if ick going on here, and I’m hoping it isn’t on purpose.
Explain to me how UR can be true if no one gets out of the lake of fire? 
Quick thought; what if the Lake of Fire is God himself? Is he not an all consuming fire? Does he not make his ministers a living flame? Does he not manifest upon his apostles with tongues of fire as the person of the Holy Spirit? Are they not tormented IN the presence of the Lamb? The presence of God?
God is life. There can be no death in Him or come from Him. This is starting to get bizarre and ridiculous.
God has slain people before, and sent a flood before, pestilence, plague, flaming hail, and put the proverbial scythe to the firstborn neck of Egypt, and the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was purged by fire as well. Yes, God is Life, but God also kills on occasion. The death might not be in the nature of the Lake of Fire, ie; the Lake of Fire may not be Death itself, or the Second Death, but rather the being thrown into the presence of God brings about the death of the person (the false person, the sinful person, freeing the person God made), the second death of the person, in exactly the same way that we are told by Christ himself that we must lose our life in order to find it, that we must die in order to live, that we must crucify the old man, etc. There is Biblical reason to assume that the Lake of Fire may be the very fiery presence of the Lamb Himself. In other words, it is a possible interpretation that has Biblical validity, and the symbolism in the Bible is certainly prolific in that fiery judgement always seems to come from God, and there is always a redemptive purpose in following at some point in the meta-narrative of the Bible.
It is very possible that the Lake of Fire is the purifying agent by which the chaff, dross, false-person, old-man, sinful-nature, the self that is apart from God is killed, and so in the second death; the person loses their life, and finds it in Christ - losing their life in the presence of the Lamb they find it again in that very same presence.
The interpretation isn’t a far stretch…
Excellent, now you know how we feel concerning the ridiculous, bizarre belief in eternal damnation…
The case in point for the whole statement, is that there are multiple interpretations possible, and Biblically justifiable, and none of them need take the form of the exceedingly vile doctrine of “endless horrific pain with no escape, redemption, or hope” that strange theologies so espouse; and certainly none of that horrid doctrine should ever be attributed to the Loving God.
“It says “lake of fire”. Therefore there is a lake of fire. It doesn’t say anyone will get out. Therefore no one gets out. It doesn’t say Americans are in this fire. Therefore no Americans are in this fire. It says the stars will fall. Therefore 100 sextillion stars will fall.”
It’s called parody. Sorry I wasn’t clearer. Anyways, I’m bowing out of this thread. May you one day find a God worth loving.
And I as well, not the best subject to discuss while feeling a bit irritable I suppose.
Our God is a consuming fire. 
Sonia
You aren’t the first to say that you know
Revival,
I’m afraid we arrived at a road block if you don’t acknowledge how I addressed the kings of the earth in Rev 21:24. Are you not assuming with zero evidence these people are the same kings of the earth in Rev 19? Doctrine built on assumption and not biblical evidence is sinking sand, my brother. God bless.
I did acknowledge it, and I rejected it as being based on the idea that, without so much as even hinting that he was doing so, John radically changed his definitions of the terms he was using. I don’t refuse to acknowledge it; I freely acknowledge that you made the argument, and reject the argument as grounded on unfounded assumptions.
Before you bow out here is your chance to be clearer and respond to my last 3 responses to you:
Agreed. Its a descriptive word to describe the one and only judgment recorded in Rev 20:11-15. Which Jesus referred to in John 12:48 as the last day.
Rev 20:11-15. The dead, small and great,(all of humanity) stand before God; and the books were open (plural) and another book was open (singular) which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. This judgment is final unless you believe their to be another judgment in addition to this one. If you believe that than show me where the people who were thrown into the lake of fire standing before God again.
Explain to me how people praise God in the lake of fire when no one apparently gets out according to your interpretation above of Rev 5:13?
Explain to me how UR can be true if no one gets out of the lake of fire?
Just quietly, I think this thread is in a stalemate. Revival rejects that the Kings of 20: and 21: could be the same. Everyone else doesn’t. But anyway …
… I find this amusing, sombre, compelling, humble and conceited, all at the same time. You expect everything from God, Allan – I really don’t know whether its something I want, or am supposed to have, but I really admire your attitude nonetheless.