If Eternal Hell Fire Damnation is True . .

[Gnostic_Bishop]

I tell my child not to walk out in front of a car. I don’t tell him this because I intend for him to walk in front of a car. I tell him this because I MEAN IT!

Seriously? Could you explain to us why you said what you said? Sorry but sometimes things need to be spelled out for me.

I see what you are now. An atheist trying to discredit Christians.

They do not need your help as they do it quite well themselves.

Regards
DL

[JasonPratt]

Just a quick note that while we don’t temp-ban people for discussions of this sort, we do occasionally lose our patience with people who insist on deriding other people on the forum as satanic.

DL is a known troll (whom LLC might remember, although I think everyone else here wasn’t around back then), who flamebaits people for his or her own emotional purposes, and has demonstrated that he or she has no regard for people.

From a thread DL started back in summer 2014:

How can modern men believe in a creator God?

Believing in any good supernatural creator entity should be quite the leap in logic, yet so many Christians admit to believing in such a good and powerful creator type God, — even though they also often think the world has more evil than good in it.

Ancient man can be said to have lived in a world where there was as much magic as reality and Gods for every occasion. Most religions had to invent a nemesis for God, be it a Satan or a demiurge to take the blame for evil. Christianity followed the pattern for myths that was well known and established and invented Satan. That strange magical/superstitious world would explain why ancient man was foolish enough to believe in fantasy characters and creator Gods.

How would you explain that less enlightened view persisting in today’s supposedly well-educated and intelligent believer?

To that final question I replied, among other things (trying to keep my temper in DL’s favor even though he’d been trolling the boards for a while already):

More seriously, what you see as a leap of logic just isn’t seen as a leap by many educated and intelligent people. They see a logical path to the conclusion that, to them (us), makes sufficient sense, even if you don’t see it.

Which doesn’t of itself mean they’re (we’re) right and you’re wrong. It’s pretty normal for some educated people to see logical coherencies of accurate facts where even other educated people can’t (yet) see them; and it’s also pretty normal for some educated people to be mistaken about seeing logical coherencies of accurate facts where other educated (or occasionally even uneducated) people can see obvious real problems with the logic and/or the proposed factual claims. People just don’t always agree with each other on evidential and/or logical assessments; and often it isn’t even because one side is making more mistakes about the data accuracy or the logical validity. It can just as easily come down to different inductive likelihood expectations (i.e. how much the evidence weighs to a person in one direction or another).

But people who lack natural sympathy with other people, or who haven’t worked at cultivating sympathy where they lack it, will just as naturally not see or understand that – whether they’re Christian, alt-Christian, non-Christian, anti-Christian, anti-religious, whatever.

Which I can sympathize with! – I see various non-/anti-Christians making gallumphing huge logic-cracking leaps, or persistently playing with faulty data, all the time, and I have to fight myself hard about dismissing them as a bunch of mouth-breathing imbeciles or inept ignoramuses! And because of my temperament I have to work really reaaaally hard at that.

But you’d want me to work hard at not seeing you as a cretin, even if I think you’re freakishly mistaken on a bunch of topics. So, since I would prefer people grant that same charity to me, I work at bending over backward to grant that charity to them even when they clearly have no interest in granting it to me.

Of course it does help that, working from a position of strength, I can afford to be generous.

(But by the same proportion if I’m not generous to my opponents where I have the strength to be generous, I’m more liable for not doing so. Which I realize is only of interest to me, not to you, but I try to make a habit of being self-critical.)

DL replied back with little copy-pastes of things DL had previously copy-pasted, which is typical troll behavior by the way:

Thanks for this.

Just a couple of things came to mind while reading.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

And.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

Martin Luther “

This puts the rest of us in a position where reasoning with theist becomes impossible.

It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Jonathan Swift

Regards
DL

To this I replied, among a few other things:

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

She was of course referring to social gossip, so I see the extent of your prooftexting skills; but if you insist on the idea of respecting people such as yourself to be only the social gossip of a small mind, I suppose you can be obliged.

And also:

It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

I suppose that might explain your refusal to listen to reason when people reason with you.

It doesn’t explain why you’re here on the boards at all – since you treat all theists this way regardless of the evidence of them reasoning with you, you can only be saying you aren’t here to reason with any theists.

Which means you’re only here to be a spammer or a troll, neither of whom are even slightly interested in reasoning with anyone they talk to.

We shall promptly begin treating you that way, as you wish.

To this DL replied.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Regards
DL

Notice, only a repeat of the same quote, misquoting Roosevelt out of context to mock the idea of respecting people (even when the idea was explicitly about respecting DL as a person).

Only a small-minded person thinks that respect for persons is an idea fit only for small minds.

Clearly, you still aren’t here to reason with theists, thus not to actually discuss things with theists. Since this continues to be your answer, we’ll try a six month ban this time.

Perhaps next time you’ll have learned that to mock respect for persons as an idea, leaves you yourself no room to be respected.

DL’s final reply before the ban went into effect:

I give respect where it is due.

I do not where it is not.

Do as you will but showing intolerance is not a good idea for such sites.

Regards
DL

I don’t see the slightest evidence that DL has learned the value of respecting people as people since then, but as long as y’all are having fun feeding the troll you should be aware of what kind of person you’re dealing with if you haven’t figured it out by now. I expect, based on the continuing evidence so far, that we’ll lose patience with DL again eventually and the “Gnostic Bishop” will be gone again. When, who knows. Sooner or later.

[Holy-Fool-P-Zombie]

Nice summary, Jason. One of the people that DL quotes is Robert G. Ingersoll. Which I find interesting, since Robert G. Ingersoll was - according to Wiki:

was an American lawyer, a Civil War veteran, political leader, and orator of the United States during the Golden Age of Free Thought, noted for his broad range of culture and his defense of agnosticism. He was nicknamed “The Great Agnostic”.

If someone was going to promote an agnostic or atheistic viewpoint, then they would normally utilize ancient and modern, agnostic and atheistic philosophers. Along with ancient and modern scientists. But best way to deal with folks like DL, is simply to ignore them.

“I never lose. I either win or learn.”-- Nelson Mandela

[Eusebius]

Eusebius, I was responding to your post in which you stated “It is His will they not eat of that tree but it was His hidden intention that they would.” God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I don’t believe He had a hidden agenda of any sort. On the contrary, I believe God meant what He said.

Seeing as how no one has ever withstood His intention, and seeing as how it was God Who created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place and was the One Who planted that tree in the very middle of the garden so A & E would see it all the time, and since it was God who created the serpent to be so crafty and it was He Who made sure the serpent would be there to tempt Eve and since God purposely created Adam and Eve flesh and soulish knowing full well in advance that those in flesh are not subject to God’s law and neither are they able and they are not able to please God (see Romans 8), there is only one conclusion one can draw and that is that God stacked the deck against Adam and Eve so they would eat of that tree. And since it is God Who declares the end from the beginning and since before Adam and Eve were created He declared the end of A & E’s situation before it began and He had already declared Romans 5:18,19 prior to it coming to pass, we can likewise rest assured that God made sure everything in the garden would happen just the way it did.

He has already declared that all mankind will be saved prior to it occurring.

He told Israel it was His will they keep all the law or else. It was His hidden intention that they not be able to do the law since they were flesh and the law was given so the offense would INCREASE (Roman 5:20) and it was given to escort them to Christ (Gal.3:24) but Israel didn’t know that.

So, yes, if we say for the sake of argument that Israel was God’s children and the law is to remain in the yard, and He told them to stay in the yard, He knew full well they would go into the street because He created them with such a heart that they would venture out into the street. So the buck does stop with God.
Now some may say that makes God look really bad to set up people like that. Yes, it does, if that were the end of the matter. But it isn’t. One day He is going to unlock all from their prison of stubbornness and be merciful to all (Romans 11:32).

Rom 8:20 For to vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation"

God also subjected the creation to vanity, not voluntarily (creation didn’t volunteer for it). If that were the end of the matter God would look really bad. But it was done “in expectation” . . .

Rom 8:21 that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God."

Now God looks really good.

[Eusebius]

Just a quick note that while we don’t temp-ban people for discussions of this sort, we do occasionally lose our patience with people who insist on deriding other people on the forum as satanic.

DL is a known troll (whom LLC might remember, although I think everyone else here wasn’t around back then), who flamebaits people for his or her own emotional purposes, and has demonstrated that he or she has no regard for people.

Hi Jason,
Let us remember to pray for DL that God would bring him into a realization of the truth.
Thanks for the heads up. I had my suspicions but I try to be gracious to him.

[Gnostic_Bishop]

Just a quick note that while we don’t temp-ban people for discussions of this sort, we do occasionally lose our patience with people who insist on deriding other people on the forum as satanic.
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Sniped for brevity.

I have a great respect for those who reason and use logic.

True that for those who do not use logic and reason and hide behind their faith and spout on about some imaginary supernatural God, and follow poor moral concepts do not earn my respect.

I admit to thinking of them the same way Dawkins does at the end of this short link.

youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6Mr … re=related

Regards
DL

[davo]

I have a great respect for those who reason and use logic.

So DL …where is the LOGIC in your expending copious amounts of time, life and energy vociferously railing against that which you say “does NOT exist”? Like where’s the LOGIC in that… go figure??

[Holy-Fool-P-Zombie]

I have a great respect for those who reason and use logic.

DL

So do I. Especially folks who use reason and logic, like those in this video.They do a great service, for the Holy Fools tradition.

[Gnostic_Bishop]

I have a great respect for those who reason and use logic.

So DL …where is the LOGIC in your expending copious amounts of time, life and energy vociferously railing against that which you say “does NOT exist”? Like where’s the LOGIC in that… go figure??

Here is the logic.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Religionists who idol worship Yahweh and Allah, while both are shown to give vile and immoral ideologies, need correcting as they do not follow the Golden Rule or hold fast to what is good.

For evil to grow, all we need do is nothing.

Are you saying that I/we should do nothing and let evil grow?

Regards
DL

[davo]

Religionists who idol worship Yahweh and Allah, while both are shown to give vile and immoral ideologies, need correcting as they do not follow the Golden Rule or hold fast to what is good.

For evil to grow, all we need do is nothing.

Are you saying that I/we should do nothing and let evil grow?

Doesn’t this just reflect your own ‘religionists’ messiah complex in that you see yourself as chosen to straighten that which you deem crooked… pot calling the kettle black?

[Holy-Fool-P-Zombie]

Religionists who idol worship Yahweh and Allah, while both are shown to give vile and immoral ideologies, need correcting as they do not follow the Golden Rule or hold fast to what is good.

For evil to grow, all we need do is nothing.

Are you saying that I/we should do nothing and let evil grow?

Doesn’t this just reflect your own ‘religionists’ messiah complex in that you see yourself as chosen to straighten that which you deem crooked… pot calling the kettle black?

Let me add another question for DL. Why do you quote from Robert Ingersoll, who is considered “The Great Agnostic”. Wiki defines Agnosticism this way:

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

If you are taking an “atheistic” position, then why quote from someone, who’s open to the possibility - of God’s existence?

[Gnostic_Bishop]

Religionists who idol worship Yahweh and Allah, while both are shown to give vile and immoral ideologies, need correcting as they do not follow the Golden Rule or hold fast to what is good.

For evil to grow, all we need do is nothing.

Are you saying that I/we should do nothing and let evil grow?

Doesn’t this just reflect your own ‘religionists’ messiah complex in that you see yourself as chosen to straighten that which you deem crooked… pot calling the kettle black?

I will answer you when you do not answer my question with a question.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic_Bishop]

Religionists who idol worship Yahweh and Allah, while both are shown to give vile and immoral ideologies, need correcting as they do not follow the Golden Rule or hold fast to what is good.

For evil to grow, all we need do is nothing.

Are you saying that I/we should do nothing and let evil grow?

Doesn’t this just reflect your own ‘religionists’ messiah complex in that you see yourself as chosen to straighten that which you deem crooked… pot calling the kettle black?

Let me add another question for DL. Why do you quote from Robert Ingersoll, who is considered “The Great Agnostic”. Wiki defines Agnosticism this way:

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

If you are taking an “atheistic” position, then why quote from someone, who’s open to the possibility - of God’s existence?

I have no problem quoting a moral position I agree with while ignoring an unknowable God position.

Christianity and Islam and most religions were agnostic before they became idol worshipers.

bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Regards
DL

[Holy-Fool-P-Zombie]

I have no problem quoting a moral position I agree with while ignoring an unknowable God position.

Christianity and Islam and most religions were agnostic before they became idol worshipers.

bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Regards
DL

Let’s take your quote:

“I have no problem quoting a moral position I agree with”

. Even if a person is an atheist, they have an ethical position. Which comes from the philosophical branch of ethics. So let’s explore your philosophical ethical position a bit. How would you handle the last scenario in this video and why?

or

youtube.com/watch?v=Z7RTykOCcuI

[Gnostic_Bishop]

I would choose the only moral tenet that I have not been able to refute in terms of it not being an objective moral tenet.

I think all the other moral tenets that I have discussed have been subjective.

My choice would be that the needs or good of the many outweigh the needs or good of the few.

Your other link did not work for me.

Regards
DL

[Holy-Fool-P-Zombie]

…

Your other link did not work for me.

Regards
DL

Good catch. When I copied it over from the embedded link, I missed the last letter. It’s fixed now. So if I understand you correctly, if you had a choice between saving a family member or five strangers, you would choose the five strangers. Because it’s the greater good. Right?

Now for another question. Folks who are atheists, usually have favorite philosophers they like. And if I were to choose atheistic philosophers I like (but not necessarily agree with), they would be Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand. What are yours?

[Gnostic_Bishop]

…

Your other link did not work for me.

Regards
DL

Good catch. When I copied it over from the embedded link, I missed the last letter. It’s fixed now. So if I understand you correctly, if you had a choice between saving a family member or five strangers, you would choose the five strangers. Because it’s the greater good. Right?

Now for another question. Folks who are atheists, usually have favorite philosophers they like. And if I were to choose atheistic philosophers I like (but not necessarily agree with), they would be Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand. What are yours?

Right?

To your last.
That would depend on the issue at hand. I like Socrates.

I have quoted Rand’ views of Eden and have also quoted Nietzsche.

What was your answer to the last scenario of that link?

Regards
DL

[davo]

Religionists who idol worship Yahweh and Allah, while both are shown to give vile and immoral ideologies, need correcting as they do not follow the Golden Rule or hold fast to what is good.

For evil to grow, all we need do is nothing.

Are you saying that I/we should do nothing and let evil grow?

Doesn’t this just reflect your own ‘religionists’ messiah complex in that you see yourself as chosen to straighten that which you deem crooked… pot calling the kettle black?

I will answer you when you do not answer my question with a question.

Let me reframe that as I wasn’t so much looking for what you might drivel forth as an answer…

This just reflects your own ‘religionists’ messiah complex in that you see yourself as chosen to straighten out that which you deem crooked… talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

My choice would be that the needs or good of the many outweigh the needs or good of the few.

Nicely put… but this is EXACTLY what you in your arrogant agnosticism (as you are presenting it) in slagging off at a supposed immoral and murderous “genocidal son murdering prick of a God” just don’t get…

The needs of the greater community of Israel took precedent over the needs of the few, which is why some of the corrupted few paid with their lives (as seen in the OT) in protecting the whole.

As to your “genocidal son murdering prick of a God” jibe… typically the likes of you will always for argument’s sake seek to emotively highlight what you think is a glaring flaw but fail to realise, or more likely dishonestly ignore, that… not all folk of faith believe as you so blatantly caricature. Jesus died in the fight for Israel’s redemption, a redemption that would in turn entail the reconciliation of humanity – the few ON BEHALF OF the many.

Thus your own words “My choice would be that the needs or good of the many outweigh the needs or good of the few.” mitigate against your complaints.

[Holy-Fool-P-Zombie]

…

Your other link did not work for me.

Regards
DL

Good catch. When I copied it over from the embedded link, I missed the last letter. It’s fixed now. So if I understand you correctly, if you had a choice between saving a family member or five strangers, you would choose the five strangers. Because it’s the greater good. Right?

Now for another question. Folks who are atheists, usually have favorite philosophers they like. And if I were to choose atheistic philosophers I like (but not necessarily agree with), they would be Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand. What are yours?

Right?

To your last.
That would depend on the issue at hand. I like Socrates.

I have quoted Rand’ views of Eden and have also quoted Nietzsche.

What was your answer to the last scenario of that link?

Regards
DL

Question:

What was your answer to the last scenario of that link?

Answer:

Good catch. When I copied it over from the embedded link, I missed the last letter. It’s fixed now.

**It sounds to me, like you like Ross Perot and Donald Trump, one line answers to questions. **

What’s your one liner to this question?

If you had a choice between saving a family member or five strangers, you would choose the five strangers. Because it’s the greater good. Right?

[Tomialatalo]

If Eternal Hell Fire Damnation is True why did God never inform Adam and Eve of such a fate?

I think God created “Hell” on purpose…

God also TEMPTED Satan to curse Job…or simply put…BEG god to let him do it!

"Now on the day when God’s sons came to present themselves before Yahweh, Satan also came among them. Yahweh said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Then Satan answered Yahweh, and said, “From going back and forth in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

Yahweh said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant, Job? For there is no one like him in the earth, a blameless and an upright man, one who fears God, and turns away from evil.”

Then Satan answered Yahweh, and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? Haven’t you made a hedge around him, and around his house, and around all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But stretch out your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will renounce you to your face.”

Yahweh said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power. Only on himself don’t stretch out your hand.”

Book of Job chapter 1 verses 6-12

I think God created the** MYTH** of hell on purpose to humble humanity…show that he COULD do so IF HE WANTED TO…but since he is simply put ALL LOVING he **CHOSE **not to do!

It was basicly a conscious choice from him…but he always** HAD** the authority to do…and subject ALL OF CREATION to hes willl…he simplyCHOSE not to do since he is by nature A LOVING GOD!

youtube.com/watch?v=tJxuv3S4M0Y

The Fire of the ages(Aionios) is both refreshing and most of all REFINING FIRE…that will BURN AWAY mans impurities…however this will NOT be a pleasent process…

“For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.”

Deuteronomy 4:24

“A RIVER OF FIRE was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.”

Daniel 7:10

The fire will wex trial and literally TEST METALS…burning away impurities as if from iron…eventually ALL will be refined…

“Behold, I send my MESSENGER, and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the COVENANT, whom you desire, behold, he comes!” says Yahweh of Armies. “But WHO CAN ENDURE the day of his coming? And **WHO WILL STAND **when he appears? For he is like a REFINERS FIRE, and like LAUNDERERS SOAP; and he will sit as a REFINER AND PURIFIERR of silver, and he will PURIFY THE SONS OF LEVI, and refine them as gold and silver; and they shall offer to Yahweh OFFERINGS IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be PLEASANT TO YAHWEH, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years

Malachi chapter 2:1-4

Hes taking about this thing right here!

"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented(Basanizo) with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 14:9-11

Torment = Basanizo = WRONG TRANSLATION!

It literally means REFINED!

bibletools.org/index.cfm/fus … sanizo.htm

Torment that leads to death would be Tumpanizo in Greek by the way!

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The greek word for here for sulfur is Theoin by the way!

Literally meaning holy stone!

biblehub.com/greek/2303.htm

**
STILL USED IN PURIFICATION EVEN TODAY!**

buzzle.com/articles/sulfur-soap.html

God created Hell…God created Satan…God created ALL THINGS so that ALL THINGS would be subjected to HIM!

“and through him(Yeshua / Christ) to reconcile to himself all things(panta / pantes = “all peaces of the cake”) whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.”

Colossians 1:20

He **PURPOSELY **allowed the “Myth of hell” to be born and spread…you can call it a “jester” from him if you will…he TRULY HAS A “TWISTED” SENSE OF HUMOUR!

christadelphia.org/pamphlet/p_lazarus.htm

He is basicly the supreme overlord of the Universe…and THATS IT!

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No if’s…no buts…however since he truly is loving…he wished ALL humanity to be saved…

And therefor…

"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.

I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and WHAT I PLEASE I DO!"

Isaiah 46:9-10

It **WILL **happen…and since god does not tolerate ANY KIND OF RESISTANCE…no amouth of either human or angelic “Free will” is going to stop him!

However…

"For EVERYONE will be salted with fire, and EVERY SACRIFICE will be SEASONED WITH SALT. Salt is good, but if the salt has lost its saltiness, with what will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another.” "

Mark 9:49-50

“If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved–even though only as one escaping THROUGH THE FLAMES.”

1 Corinthians 3:15

We will basicly

ALL be salted and burned in the end!

The question is…how will we both handle and except this process. Either let him burn the sin away from us now…or in Ge-henna(Ge-Himnon = walley of the burning)

In the wallye of Theion = Brimstome = Burning stone!

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That…atleast to a point…is our choise to make on this earth…

The fire by the way will not be literal but “spirit fire” since it will not be burning “real objects” Again a warning from someone who knows a bit PERSONALLY from Gods trials…this will NOT BE A PLEASENT EXPERIENCE!!!

However…one day it will be completele. The Second death will finally be complete…

biblehub.com/revelation/20-14.htm

And it will be DEAD TO SIN!

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206

Both disobedience and error!

hebrew4christians.com/Medita … ta_ah.html

Then gods creation will be complete…but in REALITY it already is!

In christ all things WERE ALWAYS COMPLETE!

If not…he would have NOT been able to both forgive sins and heal the sick…while he was still ALIVE…

Gods creation has always been COMPLETE…

All imperfection, sickness and misfortune are simply ALLOWED!

God allows imperfection…so that he could fix and purify it!

FOR NO OTHER REASON WHAT SO EVER!!!

Hes creation has ALWAYS been complete…sine neither Yahweh or Yahusua EVER MAKE MISTAKES!

And making a mistake is a **SIN BY THE WAY!
**

God is WITHOUT ERROR!!!

So the salvation of **ALL HUMANITY IS ASSURED!
**

All in do time!

P.S

Oh by the way about that “the soul that sinneth it shall die…”

“The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”

Ezekiel 18:20King James Version (KJV)

First of all this is in direct relation to the PREVIOUS bible chaper!

“Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.”

Ezekiel 18:19King James Version (KJV)

So there is no mention of souls being destroyed in HADES in this chapter…what he says is simple the SIN comited by the INDIVIDUAL will lead to hes demise…not the sin of the FATHER OR SON!!!

And the word beng used here is the Hebrew Nephesh…supposedly spelled as Ne-fesh…meanin LIFE ITSELF!

“But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life(Nephesh) and you must not eat the life(Nephesh) with the meat.”

Deuteronomy 12:23

It is not the same thing as the breath of life, wich would be ruach!

God is spirit(ruach) and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

John 4:24